Ted Cruz Tells Reporters "I'm a Christian First, American Second"

christiefan915 said:
I don't label myself with an "either-or", I'll leave that to you black-and-white thinkers. I'm committed to the separation of church and state in government and am uncomfortable when politicians go beyond general statements.

I didn't like when bush talked about Iraq like it was a mission from God (paraphrasing, for all the nit pickers) or when Gen. Boykin put it as a battle between God and Satan. It's just wrong.

I don't know anything about military mottoes but as long as they don't carry a crucifix into battle or attempt to proselytize, no problem..
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Bush actually used the word "crusade" after 911.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Crusade_(CounterPunch)
 
NOVA said:
You criticism of what.....what are you talking about now....only 'dumb people' focus on barbarians that are tiring to kill them, implying Obama is dumb, are you ?
actually their religion is irrelevant, but in this case, its
predominantly Muslim barbarians.....not Buddhist barbarians, or Christian barbarians, or pagan barbarians, just Muslim barbarians.....

If you think that includes ALL Muslims, then you're the one with the problem.....
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:rolleyes: We live in a violent country. One of your pals is always posting about gun violence in Chicago, for example. Even if you're not denying it you're certainly not acknowledging it.

We don't have ISIS militias, slayings and refugees in the US. You guys talk like the threat here is imminent and you're expecting hundreds of thousands to land on our shores any day. That's how little faith you have in this country's military defense system.

What is your solution to ISIS, a ground war with American troops getting killed? We saw how well that type of war worked in Iraq. You armchair generals are so quick to criticize Obama so what would you do?
 
NOVA said:
You criticism of what.....what are you talking about now....only 'dumb people' focus on barbarians that are tiring to kill them, implying Obama is dumb, are you ?
actually their religion is irrelevant, but in this case, its
predominantly Muslim barbarians.....not Buddhist barbarians, or Christian barbarians, or pagan barbarians, just Muslim barbarians.....

If you think that includes ALL Muslims, then you're the one with the problem...
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Bingo!
 
christiefan915 said:
I don't label myself with an "either-or", I'll leave that to you black-and-white thinkers. I'm committed to the separation of church and state in government and am uncomfortable when politicians go beyond general statements.

I didn't like when bush talked about Iraq like it was a mission from God (paraphrasing, for all the nit pickers) or when Gen. Boykin put it as a battle between God and Satan. It's just wrong.

I don't know anything about military mottoes but as long as they don't carry a crucifix into battle or attempt to proselytize, no problem..
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Yeah, God forbid you hear a politician say anything informative rather than the 'general' statements for dodos....you must love those Dem.debates....

I vaguely remember some Palestinians accusing Bush of that...If its all the same to you, I'll not go with the Palestinian stories....

Bush was religious but then so was his Father, Jimmy Carter, JFK and countless presidents before them....history shows it who we are....or were.

http://lajuett.com/patriotic-religious-quotes.html

Boykin's job was to find and eliminate Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, and others....he compared the war on terrorism as a war between Christian values and Satan.
I consider that a very apt analogy.....he believes his God has a purpose for him or something like that.....most true believers do....hes a war hero and deserves your sincere thanks, not your disdain....
I doubt if there is any proselytizing in battle, but you'd be amazed how many crucifixes there are....


I agree.....you don't know anything about the military, what they do, how they feel, how they cope, or their values....


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SO....you are afraid to answer my question....well, its something to mull over...hope you never do have to make that decision one day....its those that put their lives on the line
that make those kinds of decisions every day....even the hardest of men and women pray .....
 
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christiefan915 said:
And as far as ISIS and their ilk, we are not fighting them in this country and American Muslims aren't killing people for not converting. That's a diversion. Your ilk still considers Obama a Muslim no matter how many times he's talked about his Christian faith.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...merica/418857/


American Muslims aren't killing people for not converting. ..........you said it no anyone else and yes..... That's a diversion.

And I too, as an agnostic, am committed to the separation of church and state ....thats the reason I stick up for those that are religious.....

The gov. is prohibited from making laws concerning the establishment of a religion and the FREE exercise thereof....yet its you that mock them, :palm:
 
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NOVA said:
Yeah, God forbid you hear a politician say anything informative rather than the 'general' statements for dodos....you must love those Dem.debates....

I vaguely remember some Palestinians accusing Bush of that...If its all the same to you, I'll not go with the Palestinian stories....

Bush was religious but then so was his Father, Jimmy Carter, JFK and countless presidents before them....history shows it who we are....or were.
http://lajuett.com/patriotic-religious-quotes.html

Boykin's job was to find and eliminate Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, and others....he compared the war on terrorism as a war between Christian values and Satan.
I consider that a very apt analogy.....he believes his God has a purpose for him or something like that.....most true believers do....hes a war hero and deserves your sincere thanks, not your disdain....
I doubt if there is any proselytizing in battle, but you'd be amazed how many crucifixes there are....


I agree.....you don't know anything about the military, what they do, how they feel, how they cope, or their values....


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SO....you are afraid to answer my question....well, its something to mull over...hope you never do have to make that decision one day....its those that put their lives on the line
that make those kinds of decisions every day....even the hardest of men and women pray .....
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Good post Nova.
 
christiefan915 said:
What about this comment that everyone ignored? "By proclaiming himself a Christian first and an American second, Cruz is professing higher loyalties than the United States — odd for a candidate who has repeatedly accused Muslims of doing much the same thing."
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Muslims are loyal to shithole places like Arabia, Iran, and Syria. That's why some people have a problem with them (amongst many other reasons).
 
Anyway, I'm not anticipating seeing any strong statements of Christian faith coming from Democrats, which is probably why they're so shocked. FDR would have agreed with Cruz on this...
 
Eno L. Camino said:
Ellison's religion is the West's oldest enemy.
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And it's an historical fact.

When a Christian puts their religion first it can mean something different than a Keith Ellison putting Islam first. For reasons that are sadly not obvious to all of us. For Cruz and the majority of Christians in this country it means simply that their faith is in God before government. Moreover, there's not much in the way of practical effect: in other words, apart from how a Christian congressman would vote on abortion issues it's not like they stand out from the crowd.

But there are many millions and probably billions of Muslims in the world that not only put their religion first, they believe, quite strongly, that their holy book mandates that their religion serves as a corpus for civil law. Saudi Arabi is a glowing example of where Islam IS the government. Iran would be identical except they are Shia instead of Sunni.

So yeah, when a Keith Ellison says he puts Islam before the government it should raise a few antennas---it means at least a few people are paying attention to what's going on in the world and/or they aren't blinded by political correctness.

When Ted Cruz says he's a Christian first, it's ho-hum; there's millions of us and things are going just fine unless you're in the market for a gay wedding cake. And last I looked no one is having limbs lopped off for shoplifting, or beheaded for blasphemy or other barbaric et ceteras.
 
Does being a Christian first mean that if he finds conflict between Christianity and American Rule of Law, he will chose Christianity?

If so, he should not be president.
 
evince said:
thankfully most people can just look cruz in the face when hes yammering on and see right into his con man soul.


this doink will NEVER be president
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You are correct, and truthfully that would be worse than Trump being president.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
And it's an historical fact.

When a Christian puts their religion first it can mean something different than a Keith Ellison putting Islam first. For reasons that are sadly not obvious to all of us. For Cruz and the majority of Christians in this country it means simply that their faith is in God before government. Moreover, there's not much in the way of practical effect: in other words, apart from how a Christian congressman would vote on abortion issues it's not like they stand out from the crowd.

But there are many millions and probably billions of Muslims in the world that not only put their religion first, they believe, quite strongly, that their holy book mandates that their religion serves as a corpus for civil law. Saudi Arabi is a glowing example of where Islam IS the government. Iran would be identical except they are Shia instead of Sunni.

So yeah, when a Keith Ellison says he puts Islam before the government it should raise a few antennas---it means at least a few people are paying attention to what's going on in the world and/or they aren't blinded by political correctness.

When Ted Cruz says he's a Christian first, it's ho-hum; there's millions of us and things are going just fine unless you're in the market for a gay wedding cake. And last I looked no one is having limbs lopped off for shoplifting, or beheaded for blasphemy or other barbaric et ceteras.
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Wrong shithead.
Faith based leadership (as proven for example by Dubya's faith based iniatives) is a setup to lose.
 
Yeah, I'm not too shocked. I know many Christians who would expect that from any Christian. While they wouldn't vote for them, it would not shock those people to hear a Muslim say the same about Islam.
 
christiefan915 said:
Imagine if Keith Ellison were running for president and said this about Islam, his religion.

"According to presidential candidate and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, there's one thing that more important to him than the country he's running to lead: his God.

In a remarkable exchange in New Hampshire, Politico reports, Cruz told reporters "I'm a Christian first, American second, conservative third and Republican fourth." "I'll tell ya, there are a whole lot of people in this country that feel exactly the same way," he added.

By proclaiming himself a Christian first and an American second, Cruz is professing higher loyalties than the United States — odd for a candidate who has repeatedly accused Muslims of doing much the same thing.

Cruz has avoided some of the most hot-headed Islamophobic rhetoric to come out of fellow candidates, such as Trump. But he's been careful to frame Islam as an existential threat to the Western world, and Muslims as of mixed loyalty and a pool of potential terrorists...

With anti-Muslim sentiment in the country at disturbing highs, as well as anti-Muslim hate crimes on the rise, it's hard to imagine a prominent follower of that faith proclaiming themselves a Muslim first and and American second without being labeled an extremist and third columnist. It's only due to the enormous privilege Christians in the U.S. have historically enjoyed, as well as Christianity's major (if waning) influence on partisan politics, that Cruz will likely escape similar accusations.

More generally, the remark also indicates that Cruz has mostly given up the pretense of considering his non-Christian fellow citizens equal partners in the American project. That might make sense for his campaign, which needs evangelicals to beat Trump. But it's going to make life harder for him in a theoretical general election campaign, where Cruz will have to explain why his faith is more important to him than many of the Americans who he will need to vote him into office."


http://news.yahoo.com/ted-cruz-tells-reporters-im-201000179.html
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What a stupid post. Everyone who's serious about any religion says that. Can't take the air head out of the blond, can you?
 
To be a president of the United States you would have to put aside your religion hat and make decisions independently of the Church doctrines.

If your decisions can be made within the bounds of the Constitution and law of the land, you could put your religion first, but otherwise you have to be willing to allow the law of the land to supersede.
 
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