Trump New York Response to Cruz

cawacko

cawacko

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I know this would be a novel concept to Jarod, someone talking about their own party's primary. Rich Lowery from National Review tweeted this video out of Trump's response to Cruz saying he has New York values. I'm not a Trump guy but the man shows some serious skills here.


 
I thought that was an outstanding rebutal to Cruz.

Cruz was kicking his butt on the birther issue. And this brought Donald right back.

Why Cruz made that stupid NY values argument is beyond me. It made him look like a RW bigot.
 
Irish said:
I thought that was an outstanding rebutal to Cruz.

Cruz was kicking his butt on the birther issue. And this brought Donald right back.

Why Cruz made that stupid NY values argument is beyond me. It made him look like a RW bigot.
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Good points, but let me add these thoughts to the mix. Not to put NY down, but the fact that what is going on in major cities/the way of life/the mentality (many confuse the supposedly liberal NYC with the entire state) is very different from i.e. the rural south. I am not a Cruz fan, nor do I carry the Donald's baton, yet I think that sometimes a candidate has the right idea/intentions, but falls short on the delivery.
 
Lovebug said:
Good points, but let me add these thoughts to the mix. Not to put NY down, but the fact that what is going on in major cities/the way of life/the mentality (many confuse the supposedly liberal NYC with the entire state) is very different from i.e. the rural south. I am not a Cruz fan, nor do I carry the Donald's baton, yet I think that sometimes a candidate has the right idea/intentions, but falls short on the delivery.
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Or is too chicken to say what they really mean.
 
Quite the turn around. The Donald should make plenty of points with this situation. Cruz does seem to be the loser in that exchange. Cawacko is right about Cruz getting the evangelical support while Trump gets the blue collar guy support, IMO. At some point they'll have to settle behind one candidate or the other. I still say "President" Trump scares me.
 
leaningright said:
Quite the turn around. The Donald should make plenty of points with this situation. Cruz does seem to be the loser in that exchange. Cawacko is right about Cruz getting the evangelical support while Trump gets the blue collar guy support, IMO. At some point they'll have to settle behind one candidate or the other. I still say "President" Trump scares me.
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I'm not losing any sleep over it. :)
 
Cruz is right though in my opinion in that New Yorkers elect people to office in New York that would probably never get elected in many other states especially states with conservative leanings. If New Yorkers elect a person that is ok with abortion, gay marriage, and many other controversial issues then that does mean that they have different values and beliefs than places that wouldn't elect those people. I think Cruz probably should have explained it further though so that it didn't seem like he was questioning their kindness or heart and more about their political values. I actually think Trumps response about September 11th and trying to make a comparison was wrong though and showed, atleast to me, that he is willing to use a tragedy to score points.
 
Better in Boots said:
Cruz is right though in my opinion in that New Yorkers elect people to office in New York that would probably never get elected in many other states especially states with conservative leanings. If New Yorkers elect a person that is ok with abortion, gay marriage, and many other controversial issues then that does mean that they have different values and beliefs than places that wouldn't elect those people. I think Cruz probably should have explained it further though so that it didn't seem like he was questioning their kindness or heart and more about their political values. I actually think Trumps response about September 11th and trying to make a comparison was wrong though and showed, atleast to me, that he is willing to use a tragedy to score points.
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I have no dog in this fight but you are right about Cruz leaving himself vulnerable by saying New York values only instead of New York liberal political values. We've heard the saying people's true colors come out in a time of crisis so Trump wasn't exploiting anything by commenting on how New Yorkers reacted. Nikki Haley did as well in her SOTU rebuttal when she described how folks in South Carolina responded after the Charleston church shooting.
 
cawacko said:
I have no dog in this fight but you are right about Cruz leaving himself vulnerable by saying New York values only instead of New York liberal political values. We've heard the saying people's true colors come out in a time of crisis so Trump wasn't exploiting anything by commenting on how New Yorkers reacted. Nikki Haley did as well in her SOTU rebuttal when she described how folks in South Carolina responded after the Charleston church shooting.
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The reason I say that Trump was being disingenuous was because as a conservative, as he claims to be, he would have known what Cruz was talking about by his comments, but because the race is getting tight he used Cruz's mistake of not elaborating to use the emotion of 9/11 to make Cruz look bad. If Trump were truly a conservative he would have agreed with Cruz considering that New York is a very blue state overall and that New York City has very liberal elected officials including their mayor. Trump knew all of that but was trying to score points in my opinion which I just don't like.
 
Better in Boots said:
The reason I say that Trump was being disingenuous was because as a conservative, as he claims to be, he would have known what Cruz was talking about by his comments, but because the race is getting tight he used Cruz's mistake of not elaborating to use the emotion of 9/11 to make Cruz look bad. If Trump were truly a conservative he would have agreed with Cruz considering that New York is a very blue state overall and that New York City has very liberal elected officials including their mayor. Trump knew all of that but was trying to score points in my opinion which I just don't like.
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Trump is a populist, not a conservative. Far be it for me to defend Trump but is he suppose to just sit there and take it? He nailed Cruz on the response. I'm not suggesting you can't have your opinion on the issue or you have to agree with Trump but politics is a tough sport and he fought back well in this instance.
 
cawacko said:
Trump is a populist, not a conservative. Far be it for me to defend Trump but is he suppose to just sit there and take it? He nailed Cruz on the response. I'm not suggesting you can't have your opinion on the issue or you have to agree with Trump but politics is a tough sport and he fought back well in this instance.
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But he wants the conservative vote. I don't think Trump should just take it but he could have differentiated himself from the people and party that he is running against without talking about 9/11 in my opinion. He could have talked about how he will bring the values of the Republican Party to the state that he is from, he could have talked about how he is successful in a blue state despite being a republican and how he could do that for the whole country, but instead he used an event that leaves no defense against. It was just slimy and deliberate in my opinion, but then again that's why I won't vote for him.
 
I guess my point is that he basically defended the liberal values of most New Yorkers while using 9/11 as a way of shielding New Yorkers from political criticism from his own party rivals.
 
I'm not voting for him either. Everyone will view his response in their own way. Trump is who he is however and if someone comes after him he's going to attack back. And it's pretty clear so far it's not the conservative ideologues who are backing Trump.
 
New York has a very vibrant conservative element, we're just in the minority.

We remain the only state to send a Conservative Party member to the United States Senate (Bill Buckley's brother James ran third party against the GOP and Dem candidates and won).

I suppose my vantage point as a NY conservative leads me to avoid judging other states by who they vote for. Sometimes I slip.

Politically, it was probably a good move by Cruz because it will resonate in many states.

In the general election though, I can see a Trump candidacy putting the entire northeastern corridor back into contention for the GOP, something a Cruz candidacy wouldn't do. Or any other GOP candidacy for that matter.

Neither mushmouth GOP moderation nor ideological conservatism are effective in the northeast. Let's see how grassroots populism plays.
 
Better in Boots said:
Cruz is right though in my opinion in that New Yorkers elect people to office in New York that would probably never get elected in many other states especially states with conservative leanings. If New Yorkers elect a person that is ok with abortion, gay marriage, and many other controversial issues then that does mean that they have different values and beliefs than places that wouldn't elect those people. I think Cruz probably should have explained it further though so that it didn't seem like he was questioning their kindness or heart and more about their political values. I actually think Trumps response about September 11th and trying to make a comparison was wrong though and showed, atleast to me, that he is willing to use a tragedy to score points.
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That's what you call psychological projection Norah. Cruz couldn't get elected dog catcher in Ohio and Ohio is hardly a liberal bastion. What Cruz said was exceedingly stupid for someone running for election at the national level because you are representing the entire nation. Not just a bunch of Texas rednecks with Texas redneck values (if you get my point?). You can't win by subtraction at this level. You have to be able to build coalitions and you're not going to do that by making asinine comments like that. You're going to burn bridges.

You're also niave to project Texas values onto the rest of the nation. Far more people in this nation would see eye to eye with New York values than rural Texas values by a substantial majority. Which, if you watched the video above, Trump explains that fact quite well.
 
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Better in Boots said:
The reason I say that Trump was being disingenuous was because as a conservative, as he claims to be, he would have known what Cruz was talking about by his comments, but because the race is getting tight he used Cruz's mistake of not elaborating to use the emotion of 9/11 to make Cruz look bad. If Trump were truly a conservative he would have agreed with Cruz considering that New York is a very blue state overall and that New York City has very liberal elected officials including their mayor. Trump knew all of that but was trying to score points in my opinion which I just don't like.
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So Trump is supposed to just roll over and play nice to Cruz ad hom attack and insult to one of the greatest cities in the world, not just our nation? That's not how it works Norah. Cruz screwed up big....this isn't Pace salsa.
 
Better in Boots said:
I guess my point is that he basically defended the liberal values of most New Yorkers while using 9/11 as a way of shielding New Yorkers from political criticism from his own party rivals.
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You're painting with a real broad brush here. What's wrong with New York values? Please tell us, what are these New York values and how are Texas values superior to them? Have you ever even been to New York City?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You're painting with a real broad brush here. What's wrong with New York values? The City of New York has contributed far more to this nations progress and development, both economically and culturally, than the entire State of Texas has. Please tell us, what are these New York values and how are Texas values superior to them?
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Da Fvck? You better apologize for ripping on the great state of Texas and say three hail marys.
 
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