Has Anybody Asked THEM?

ZappasGuitar said:
I like how you cut through his bullshit rhetoric and his word games and hit the nail on the head.

This is about a few GREEDY landowners who don't like paying the Federal Government what they owe.
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Clive Bundy, their daddy back in Nevada still owes the US government 1.2 million dollars for grazing his cattle on federal land...Greedy fuck...
 
SmarterthanYou said:
dude, you fucking lie about this issue, like you do all the others. the only ones who take YOU seriously are the idiot lefties like desh, rana, and mott. this group didn't threaten violence if their demands weren't met. they said they would defend themselves against any force used against them. HUGE difference.
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Those yahoos aren't so principled they refused government largesse when they needed it.

"Ammon Bundy, a leader in the group of Oregon “militiamen” who have occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters, didn’t always hate the federal government. According to Russ Choma at Mother Jones, Bundy’s business, Valet Fleet Services LLC, borrowed $530,000 through a federal loan guarantee program for small businesses. Choma writes that Bundy’s Phoenix-based company specializes in “repairing and maintaining fleets of semitrucks throughout Arizona” and that the government subsidy had an estimated cost of $22,419 at taxpayers’ expense.

But that’s not the only way that Bundy and his fellow militiamen benefit from the federal government. A closer look at the very land that’s under dispute reveals a not-too-distant past where the United States didn’t possess the land at all. The federal government seized this land from the Northern Paiute tribe, whose federal trust land has shrunk over time to a mere 760 acres in Burns, Oregon, where the militiamen’s occupation began.

According to Steve Russell at Indian Country Today Media Network, President Grant established the Malheur Indian Reservation in 1872, and it wasn’t until the Bannock War of 1878 that the Bannocks and the Paiute were removed from the reservation. Since then, the wildlife refuge has existed as an alternative use of federal land.

In other words, the only reason the militiamen feel they have a leg to stand on when it comes sovereignty over this land is because of the federal government they are attacking."

Read more: http://bluenationreview.com/oregon-...t-was-stolen-from-paiute-tribe/#ixzz3wPkc0siU
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and if you had any shred of intellectual honesty, you'd know about the federal land grab and it's impact on ranchers out there, but since you're a huge government statist, that doesn't mean shit to you.
 
christiefan915 said:
Those yahoos aren't so principled they refused government largesse when they needed it.

"Ammon Bundy, a leader in the group of Oregon “militiamen” who have occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters, didn’t always hate the federal government. According to Russ Choma at Mother Jones, Bundy’s business, Valet Fleet Services LLC, borrowed $530,000 through a federal loan guarantee program for small businesses. Choma writes that Bundy’s Phoenix-based company specializes in “repairing and maintaining fleets of semitrucks throughout Arizona” and that the government subsidy had an estimated cost of $22,419 at taxpayers’ expense.

But that’s not the only way that Bundy and his fellow militiamen benefit from the federal government. A closer look at the very land that’s under dispute reveals a not-too-distant past where the United States didn’t possess the land at all. The federal government seized this land from the Northern Paiute tribe, whose federal trust land has shrunk over time to a mere 760 acres in Burns, Oregon, where the militiamen’s occupation began.

According to Steve Russell at Indian Country Today Media Network, President Grant established the Malheur Indian Reservation in 1872, and it wasn’t until the Bannock War of 1878 that the Bannocks and the Paiute were removed from the reservation. Since then, the wildlife refuge has existed as an alternative use of federal land.

In other words, the only reason the militiamen feel they have a leg to stand on when it comes sovereignty over this land is because of the federal government they are attacking."

Read more: http://bluenationreview.com/oregon-...t-was-stolen-from-paiute-tribe/#ixzz3wPkc0siU
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Greedy manipulative hypocrites...
And smarter than few idolizes them Lol
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and if you had any shred of intellectual honesty, you'd know about the federal land grab and it's impact on ranchers out there, but since you're a huge government statist, that doesn't mean shit to you.
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The feds grabbing land from the Natives? I never agreed with that. But you seem to think two wrongs make a right.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and if you had any shred of intellectual honesty, you'd know about the federal land grab and it's impact on ranchers out there, but since you're a huge government statist, that doesn't mean shit to you.
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Teddy Roosevelt declared the bird sanctuary in 1909.
The greedy Bundy's want to grab it for free...
There's yer land grab.
 
christiefan915 said:
The feds grabbing land from the Natives? I never agreed with that. But you seem to think two wrongs make a right.
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The people in Oregon don't want the Bundy's there, they are willing to fight their battles through the proper channels. I like our Federal Parks, they are for all Americans
 
Rana said:
The people in Oregon don't want the Bundy's there, they are willing to fight their battles through the proper channels. I like our Federal Parks, they are for all Americans
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