Oklahoma Executions

Darla said:
There was a big botched execution in Oklahoma tonight. The twitterati is buzzing. All my liberal tweeters are expressing outrage and disgust and shame and all this other stuff about the "cruel and unusual" punishment. I checked out the story and found this:



I'm not for the DP, but with all of the horrors in the world, I just can't get any outrage up over this. WTF am I supposed to do, sit around crying about these guys? One BURIED A 19 YO GIRL ALIVE, and the other RAPED AND MURDERED AN INFANT. I guess what really bothers me is that the people tweeting about this have not said one damned word about what they were convicted of. How can you not at least have mixed emotions on this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/30/us/oklahoma-executions.html?hp&_r=0
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I always have mixed emotions, but the death penalty is still wrong. What these men did was barbarous, but we should not act in kind in my opinion.
 
Sardonic said:
A phrase that always puzzled me about a loving lord.
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It does not puzzle me, God is saying... Let me take care of that... God is not saying, Ill be vengeful.

In other words, that is my province, God will handle it better than you are going to. That very well might mean, God will be forgiving and not vengeful.

Leave the issue up to a loving forgiving God.
 
Bonestorm said:
OK, but if you think the system is corrupt and jurors and brainwashed by the system, how can you support the death penalty? I mean, I could understand the position that you support the idea of it being utilized in a proper justice system that is free from corruption, but I don't understand how a person with your views could support it in our current system.
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you have explained my viewpoint on it perfectly. thanks. I do support the death penalty. I've always maintained that it should not be utilized unless there is absolutely no shred of doubt, like video or DNA.
 
Sardonic said:
Vengence a strange word to attribute to a perfect god.

A topic for another thread.

Just, well, I could argue against that as well...but it's a topic for anther thread.
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You and Jarod introduced the topic into this one,, I merely responded.

God has many attributes, as does man. The difference would be perfected attributes vs. corrupted ones.

But as you noted, another thread would better serve the discussion.
 
XLVIII DOMINATORS said:
Capital punishment should be used only in the most evidence locked cases. DNA, eye-witness, self incrimination, lawful arrest/search warrants. I also believe that all defendants in a Capital case should be afforded expert testimony to counter any of the States experts. That this expert testimony should be at the expense of the state, should the dependent not be able to afford it on his own.
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I've also suggested that if someone is convicted and then executed and it is then discovered that evidence was planted or ignored, that those responsible should suffer the same fate.
 
Darla said:
There was a big botched execution in Oklahoma tonight. The twitterati is buzzing. All my liberal tweeters are expressing outrage and disgust and shame and all this other stuff about the "cruel and unusual" punishment. I checked out the story and found this:



I'm not for the DP, but with all of the horrors in the world, I just can't get any outrage up over this. WTF am I supposed to do, sit around crying about these guys? One BURIED A 19 YO GIRL ALIVE, and the other RAPED AND MURDERED AN INFANT. I guess what really bothers me is that the people tweeting about this have not said one damned word about what they were convicted of. How can you not at least have mixed emotions on this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/30/us/oklahoma-executions.html?hp&_r=0
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I don't have mixed emotions at all. I'm glad they deep sixed the asshole and the fact that it was botched and he suffered a terrible death doesn't bother me at all in the light of how his victim died.

I oppose both lethal injection and the death penalty for specific reasons. One of them isn't compasion for assholes who bury 19 yo young women alive.

I oppose the death penalty as it is currently applied in most States because of the gross social inequities of the penalty and the often gross incompetence that puts innocent people on death row. It's very clear that the death penalty is pretty much exclusively used against poor criminals who can't afford a decent attourney. It also often applied in cases where gross incompetence and prosecutorial misconduct occurs, again, mostly on poor defendents.

I oppose lethal injection because to do it right requires trained medical professionals who have sworn a sacred oath to never knowingly harm a person in the conduct of their duties. Any physician, nurse, medical technologist, EMT, etc, who violates said oath by participating in such an execution should have their license to practice suspended for life for violating their oath.

If the death penalty is going to exist I have no problem with the traditional forms of execution. Hanging for criminals and firing squads for soldiers who commit appropriate offenses (spying, cowardice in the face of the enemy, treason, desertion at time of war, etc.). We should not be using medical technology and medical professionals who have sworn to protect life to end it.
 
There’s still no evidence that executions deter criminals

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...t-executions-deter-criminals/?wpisrc=nl_wnkpm

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XLVIII DOMINATORS said:
But they are subject to this forfeiture at the hands of police and a system you claim is too corrupt. How do you reconcile this to your position on the death penalty?
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This is why no government should have the power of death over a human
no matter how heinous the crime.
 
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