Allen West is busy just making shit up...

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Founding Father enthusiast Allen West’s book filled with fake Founding Father quotes


A review of former congressman and Founding Father enthusiast Allen West’s new book has turned up a wide assortment of fake quotes attributed to Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and other famous historical figures.

According to the Palm Beach Post, West’s “Guardian of the Republic,” which outlines his political philosophy and his “warrior code,” includes many quotes that have been described by historians as erroneous.

“Thomas Jefferson said it first: ‘A government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it away,’” West wrote.

According to researchers at the Thomas Jefferson Foundation in Charlottesville, Virginia, while that quote has appeared on coffee cups and t-shirts, it doesn’t appear in any of Jefferson’s writings. So many fake quotations have been attributed to the drafter of the Declaration of Independence, that the foundation felt compelled to create a “Spurious Quotations” list.

Three other fake Jefferson quotes in West’s book appear on the foundation’s list.

West is not alone in repeating debunked quotes. President Barack Obama — as a senator in 2005 — and John McCain — as a 2008 presidential candidate — are among those who have previously quoted George Washington as saying that “the willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by our nation.”

West includes that quote in his book. But the words aren’t Washington’s, according to Mary V. Thompson, a research historian with the Fred W. Smith National Library for the Study of George Washington.

A quote attributed to Patrick Henry in West’s book didn’t come from the Virginian’s writings or speeches, says Henry biographer Thomas Kidd, a professor of history at Baylor University.

West quotes Henry as saying: “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”

Kidd described the quote as a new one that has gained popularity via the Internet.

“The thing that’s strange about that quote to me is it actually sounds like something that Henry might have said. I find it puzzling that it keeps getting used. You can find similar things that Henry has said that are actual quotes,” Kidd said.

Kidd added, “If we admire these people, then I think we should represent what they actually said.”

Asked to provide sources for the Jefferson quotes and some others in the book, West co-author Michele Hickford has declined comment and a spokeswoman for Crown Publishing has not responded.

West, who is currently touring to promote the book, could not be reached.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/...book-filled-with-fake-founding-father-quotes/
 
“Thomas Jefferson said it first: ‘A government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it away,’” West wrote.

According to researchers at the Thomas Jefferson Foundation in Charlottesville, Virginia, while that quote has appeared on coffee cups and t-shirts, it doesn’t appear in any of Jefferson’s writings. So many fake quotations have been attributed to the drafter of the Declaration of Independence, that the foundation felt compelled to create a “Spurious Quotations” list.

So is your argument that West made up this quote so long ago that it has since made it's way onto coffee cups and t-shirts?

Sounds to me like somebody else made it up, which would make you, surprise-surprise!.... wrong again.
 
Its more accurate to say he used a made up quote, at least in that instance.
 
So is your argument that West made up this quote so long ago that it has since made it's way onto coffee cups and t-shirts?

Sounds to me like somebody else made it up, which would make you, surprise-surprise!.... wrong again.


Allen West continues to WRONGLY ATTRIBUTE the quote to Thomas Jefferson, therefore he is making shit up and including the made up shit in his book as I stated in the OP.



It also means that...



wait for it...



I was the one who was RIGHT...and it was Y-O-U who was WRONG.
 
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Founding Father enthusiast Allen West’s book filled with fake Founding Father quotes


A review of former congressman and Founding Father enthusiast Allen West’s new book has turned up a wide assortment of fake quotes attributed to Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and other famous historical figures.

According to the Palm Beach Post, West’s “Guardian of the Republic,” which outlines his political philosophy and his “warrior code,” includes many quotes that have been described by historians as erroneous.

“Thomas Jefferson said it first: ‘A government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it away,’” West wrote.

According to researchers at the Thomas Jefferson Foundation in Charlottesville, Virginia, while that quote has appeared on coffee cups and t-shirts, it doesn’t appear in any of Jefferson’s writings. So many fake quotations have been attributed to the drafter of the Declaration of Independence, that the foundation felt compelled to create a “Spurious Quotations” list.

Three other fake Jefferson quotes in West’s book appear on the foundation’s list.

West is not alone in repeating debunked quotes. President Barack Obama — as a senator in 2005 — and John McCain — as a 2008 presidential candidate — are among those who have previously quoted George Washington as saying that “the willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by our nation.”

West includes that quote in his book. But the words aren’t Washington’s, according to Mary V. Thompson, a research historian with the Fred W. Smith National Library for the Study of George Washington.

A quote attributed to Patrick Henry in West’s book didn’t come from the Virginian’s writings or speeches, says Henry biographer Thomas Kidd, a professor of history at Baylor University.

West quotes Henry as saying: “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”

Kidd described the quote as a new one that has gained popularity via the Internet.

“The thing that’s strange about that quote to me is it actually sounds like something that Henry might have said. I find it puzzling that it keeps getting used. You can find similar things that Henry has said that are actual quotes,” Kidd said.

Kidd added, “If we admire these people, then I think we should represent what they actually said.”

Asked to provide sources for the Jefferson quotes and some others in the book, West co-author Michele Hickford has declined comment and a spokeswoman for Crown Publishing has not responded.

West, who is currently touring to promote the book, could not be reached.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/...book-filled-with-fake-founding-father-quotes/
I don't see where Mr. Boggioni has listed his references. Certainly this dickhead is smart enough to not use sources like Wikipedia or Huffington Post, right?
 
Allen West continues to WRONGLY ATTRIBUTE the quote to Thomas Jefferson, therefore he is making shit up and including the made up shit in his book as I stated in the OP.

He recently made up shit that's been on coffee mugs and t-shirts for years? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah. You're one of the guys who believes Al Gore invented the internet. :awesome:
 
He recently made up shit that's been on coffee mugs and t-shirts for years? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah. You're one of the guys who believes Al Gore invented the internet. :awesome:


I've thought you were many things over the past few months...desperate enough to play pitiful word parsing games in order to continue ignoring the truth about West's book wasn't one of them.
 
I've thought you were many things over the past few months...desperate enough to play pitiful word parsing games in order to continue ignoring the truth about West's book wasn't one of them.

It's not word parsing. You said West was "busy just making shit up."

Do you feel that is an accurate characterization of what he did? Or did he just reprint what amounts to a viral historical misquote?

If anyone is "just making shit up," I'm afraid that would be you.

And dismissing the entire book's contents over this misquote is as illogical as dismissing global warming because Al Gore said that "E Pluribus Unum" meant "out of one, many."

:awesome:
 
It's not word parsing. You said West was "busy just making shit up."

Do you feel that is an accurate characterization of what he did? Or did he just reprint what amounts to a viral historical misquote?

If anyone is "just making shit up," I'm afraid that would be you.

And dismissing the entire book's contents over this misquote is as illogical as dismissing global warming because Al Gore said that "E Pluribus Unum" meant "out of one, many."

:awesome:

West didn't bother verifying the phony quotes he chose for his book so, yes, he's guilty of making shit up.

West is credited as the author so he's responsible for the veracity of the contents of his book.

Nice to see you admitting that this whole "Al Gore invented the internet" thing is just another false flag made up by Gore haters out to hijack the debate over climate change.
 
People wrongly attribute quotes to historical figures all the time. Allen West is still a jackass, but I wouldn't call what he did "making shit up".
 
So if I say there's a Loch Ness monster, but don't verify it's existence...

*I* invented the legend?

More word parsing...what a surprise.

I note you didn't bother answering my questions...a standard Rightie tactic that gets trotted out every time doing so would weaken your position.
 
More word parsing...what a surprise.

I note you didn't bother answering my questions...a standard Rightie tactic that gets trotted out every time doing so would weaken your position.

You *could* just say something like; "Oh yeah, I didn't mean he was just making shit up. I meant he was passing along erroneous quotes".... then we would be in agreement. Are you capable of that?

And I've read back over the thread and don't see any questions directed at me.... what "questions" are you speaking of?
 
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