GODS NOT DEAD!

I am sorry, but how do you KNOW God wouldn't say "father why have you..."?

We humans are tiny, mortal beings with a very limited view of that which we can perceive.

God exists outside of time and space and is capable of anything.

To assign thoughts, feelings and attributes to God based on our limited existence is ridiculous.

Its kindergarten logic! Sorry but the Bible CLEARLY explains that Jesus is NOT GOD. Jesus was SENT by GOD, TAUGHT by GOD, given authority by GOD, to do GOD's will and not His own(which clearly show two different wills), etc... shall I go on?

Every time I ask a question they cant answer, they give the same bullshit line you are giving me. It doesn't cut it.

If GOD is everywhere how can HE exist outside time and space? You been watching too many sci-fi movies.lol

Jesus was either a mortal man who possessed the Spirit of GOD, but was still mortal, or Jesus is an Alien who served a higher being/authority. Either way, Jesus cannot be GOD!
 
Its kindergarten logic! Sorry but the Bible CLEARLY explains that Jesus is NOT GOD. Jesus was SENT by GOD, TAUGHT by GOD, given authority by GOD, to do GOD's will and not His own(which clearly show two different wills), etc... shall I go on?

Every time I ask a question they cant answer, they give the same bullshit line you are giving me. It doesn't cut it.

If GOD is everywhere how can HE exist outside time and space? You been watching too many sci-fi movies.lol

Jesus was either a mortal man who possessed the Spirit of GOD, but was still mortal, or Jesus is an Alien who served a higher being/authority. Either way, Jesus cannot be GOD!


And which of the HUNDREDS of translations of the Bible are you consulting?

I am trying to have a reasonable discussion with you about this, so I'd really appreciate it if you'd knock off the snark, please.

If God is omnipotent and everyWHERE as I claim then its possible he's also everyWHEN. If he can BE anywhen he wants, whenever he likes, then it stands to reason he could go back BEFORE the start of time and witness it's beginning.
 
I kind of want to see this movie now, if only to hear the shitty arguments that lead to the professor conceding. Which, is safe to assume what happens at the end of the movie. The premise itself is ridiculous enough, so hopefully it's got that train wreck "can't look away" quality to it that only the true believers could genuinely like.

The plot to this movie sounds like one of those Christian chain emails. You may have seen some, a bad ol' secular professor teaching about evolution or something gets stood up to by the pure of heart Christian student. It's masturbatory for Christians and annoying as hell to everyone else.
 
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‘God’s Not Dead’ Rocking Box Office in Stunning Debut — Per-Screen Average Near Top of the Heap
Mar. 22, 2014 4:13pm Dave Urbanski


Indie film “God’s Not Dead” is rocking the weekend box office, bringing in $2.8 million from just 780 theaters on Friday. Its $3,613 per-screen average was better than any movie in the market except for “Divergent” and “The Grand Budapest Hotel,” The Wrap noted Saturday.

It was running third after Friday and will likely come in around $8 million for the three days.
Image source: God's Not Dead official trailer via YouTube

Image source: “God’s Not Dead” official trailer via YouTube

The low-budget PG-13 drama about a Christian college student (Shane Harper) in an epic battle with an atheist philosophy professor who threatens to fail him if he refuses to disavow God’s existence.

Freestyle Releasing co-president Mark Borde said he wasn’t surprised about the movie’s big initial draw at the box office.

“While this huge opening may be a surprise to the industry, it is not so much to us,” he told The Wrap on Saturday. “The in-house tracking, the legitimate one million Facebook fans, the very high trending on Twitter and Fandango among many other platforms, and the huge positive reaction from the hundreds of screenings over the many past months, gave us hope for a significant opening.”

Actors Kevin Sorbo, Dean Cain and “Duck Dynasty” stars Willie and Korie Robertson are among the recognizable names who appear in the movie in an effort to spark public conversation about God’s existence.

Sorbo, a Christian, plays the non-believing Professor Radisson. He told TheBlaze he hopes the film shows skeptics that “there might be something greater out there.”

Haha, I haven't heard a plot summary that sounded so good since "Plan 9 From Outer Space".
 
Many Old Testament figures reputed to have seen God "face to face" ,including Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Amos, and seventy unnamed Levite elders.

By the way. Jesus is not GOD! This belief was introduced via a corrupted Church. The pagan kings persecuted the Christians and then put their people in positions of power within the church.

If Constantine hadn't promoted Christianity, you'd never have known who Christ was. Constantine was more important to Christianity than Christ.
 
And which of the HUNDREDS of translations of the Bible are you consulting?

I am trying to have a reasonable discussion with you about this, so I'd really appreciate it if you'd knock off the snark, please.

If God is omnipotent and everyWHERE as I claim then its possible he's also everyWHEN. If he can BE anywhen he wants, whenever he likes, then it stands to reason he could go back BEFORE the start of time and witness it's beginning.
God can't be everywhere at the same time, as He is still just one being. However, He can have all things before Him so that nothing escapes His attention.
 
If Constantine hadn't promoted Christianity, you'd never have known who Christ was. Constantine was more important to Christianity than Christ.

LOL!! That's ridiculous! Christianity is defined as followers of Christ. How can Constantine be more important? Only an idiotic Atheist can say such a stupid thing!

Constantine SUPPOSEDLY converted to Christianity on his death bed.

Christians were persecuted threw out the empire, but it was Diocletian who really persecuted all the Church leaders. Many of the so called Church leaders ratted/snitched out the identity of their fellow Christians and they were slaughtered. The snitches were rewarded by keeping their positions as church leaders. Those who resisted were martyred. The Donatists did not recognize the authority of the Church leaders because they had led the sheep to slaughter. Eventually the Emperor seen the money Christianity was generating(from people and widows leaving them their fortunes) and put his own relatives in positions of power within the Church.

The Christian Church was corrupted long ago and became no better then the Pharisees.
 
I am sorry, but how do you KNOW God wouldn't say "father why have you..."?

We humans are tiny, mortal beings with a very limited view of that which we can perceive.

God exists outside of time and space and is capable of anything.

To assign thoughts, feelings and attributes to God based on our limited existence is ridiculous.
I wanted to thank you for that but I couldn't bring myself to actually do it......
 
interesting we have so many movies of interest to Christians at the moment.....God is Not Dead, Son of God, Noah, Heaven is Real.......
 
I kind of want to see this movie now, if only to hear the shitty arguments that lead to the professor conceding. Which, is safe to assume what happens at the end of the movie. The premise itself is ridiculous enough, so hopefully it's got that train wreck "can't look away" quality to it that only the true believers could genuinely like.

The plot to this movie sounds like one of those Christian chain emails. You may have seen some, a bad ol' secular professor teaching about evolution or something gets stood up to by the pure of heart Christian student. It's masturbatory for Christians and annoying as hell to everyone else.

It's really amazing to think that that's actually the picture fundamentalist Christian's have of academia. Atheist philosophy professors aren't so obnoxious as to bash people's religious beliefs in the middle of class. If you've ever actually taken one of the classes, you know that these are the most cowardly people in the world when it comes to shit like that. They'll use as many passive constructions as grammatically possible, and they will avoid making any direct claim themselves, any claim will be in quotation marks and attributed to someone else.

They might say, well, Nietschze put the words "God is dead!" in the mouth of one of his characters as a blunt tool to emphasize his overall point that increasing secularization in Europe had effectively eroded Christianity, which, as Christianity had been the guiding force behind meaning and value in the west for thousands of years, had lead to ever increasing decline into decadence and nihilism and despairing rejection of all meaning - then he attacks the nihilism and rejection of meaning in the modern age and proposes alternatives. They're not just going to walk into a classroom and say "God is dead! Accept it or U get F!", or "Haha you dumb Christians if God existed he could kill me and since he hasn't he doesn't! LOL!" That's just dumb. They're a professor, not an internet troll, they've got better things to do with their time.

If some little Christian shit just walked into their office and, in response to Nietschze having been mentioned in class, started spewing generic arguments they'd memorized from the internet, they're not going to spend several hours arguing back, or they vindictively give them a choice between rejecting God and passing. They're going to be like, "Please, don't come to me again and waste my time unless you've got problem with homework, or some questions directly related to the class." And they'd do the same to some kid who walked in thinking he was now the equal of someone with a theology doctorate because he read the God Delusion and browses r/atheism occasionally. I don't think fundie Christians understand, you're not something that needs oppression and constant, vindictive attention on our part. You are a minor annoyance.

As for those arguments you read on the internet, well, wasn't it Plato who first discovered that how easy it was to win arguments against your own fictional versions of your enemies? It's incredible, when you hold the pen, all of the sudden your enemies initial arguments consist of calling you a stupid meany-poo, then they basically just sit there through yours and stutter, only contributing when you need them to obliviously fall into some utterly obvious, stupid trap, and afterwards they just stand in dumbfounded awe. It's like a Hollywood battle, the hero spends the entire time saving his girlfriend and defeating half the other army in one on one single combat, the enemies tactics largely consist of eating babies, heartlessly killing their own men, and evil laughter, and then you have a final showdown which you two spend mostly talking, and the enemy basically kills himself in the process of doing something evil and tactically pointless. Try those arguments from a work of fiction in real life, and you will soon find that, *gasp*, they can talk back with real points, and see your trap from a mile away. You would have stepped out of your trench and challenged your enemy to single combat, and the guy who's stray blindfire hit you in the head probably wouldn't even have heard you.
 
LOL!! That's ridiculous! Christianity is defined as followers of Christ. How can Constantine be more important? Only an idiotic Atheist can say such a stupid thing!

I think we're talking on a different level. Doctrinally, Christ of course more important than Constantine. Historically, Constantine's decision to make Christianity the official religion of the strongest and most populous empire of the day hugely spurred it's subsequent popularity. Claiming that someone else is actually more important than the most doctrinally important figure in a movement has a degree of irony to it, that was really the whole point. It seems you are a person differently abled when it comes to irony, so, I apologize, and shall attempt less subtlety with you in the future.

Constantine SUPPOSEDLY converted to Christianity on his death bed.

Constantine converted around 312, but like most pagan rulers who converted to Christianity, he was not the most studious of followers. He did a heaping of evil throughout his time, as well as hedging his bets a bit and showing some remaining reverence to the traditional gods and religion his people had held to since time immemorial in addition to the new fangled, eastern crap called Christianity his mother believed in that he thought might be strong because he won a battle once with crosses on his shields. He still did more to popularize the religion than anyone before or since, and, in the Nicaean council, which he called in 325, he laid down the basic trinitarian theology that would largely guide the religion for the rest of its history. In that, he's probably had more effect on the theology of Christianity than whatever remained of Jesus's actual thought in the bible after decades of people altering it to sexy it up and misattributing things to him before the four different conflicting versions of his life were actually written down.

Christians were persecuted threw out the empire, but it was Diocletian who really persecuted all the Church leaders.

Christians had been persecuted since before the 100's, basically from the time it was decided that they weren't Jews. Only Jews had the exemption of paying respect to the emperor, because they were old and the Romans had respect for old things. In refusing to honor the Gods of their people, Christians were often blamed for natural disasters and such, it was assumed the Gods were punishing the whole for their toleration of Christians. However, before Diocletian, you pretty much had to try to be persecuted by the Roman authorities. They didn't bother to do regular investigations, informers were usually just ignored, and Christians could get it of it by rote recitation of some pagan words, after which no questions would be asked. Diocletian made it a fairly central policy, but even then it was not uniformly enforced by the other emperors in his tetrarchy - him and the other eastern emperor enforced it in their domain, the two western emperors largely didn't care. Then Constantine came onto the scene and abruptly did a 180.

Whatever, Diocletian is still my favorite emperor ever.

Many of the so called Church leaders ratted/snitched out the identity of their fellow Christians and they were slaughtered. The snitches were rewarded by keeping their positions as church leaders. Those who resisted were martyred. The Donatists did not recognize the authority of the Church leaders because they had led the sheep to slaughter.

Doesn't sound like much of a reward, IMO, to be non-punished.

There was an African governor who, during Diocletian's persecutions, required nothing of potential Christians but that they hand over their holy books to prove their faith in the Gods. After Constantine, these guys were forgiven, but a schismatic movement called Donatism emerged which rejected these converts. I believe this is the original source of your story, exaggerated by whatever fanatics you read.

Eventually the Emperor seen the money Christianity was generating(from people and widows leaving them their fortunes) and put his own relatives in positions of power within the Church.

Eh, I don't think Constantine did that, too new to the whole thing. Various offices in the church have over the years been occupied by relatives of powerful people on and off. The church was a good place for a family to put an extra son they didn't want feuding with the firsts claim. Of course, these attempts failed as often as they succeeded - such as when the Borja family tried to build their own personal empire out of the papal states when one of their own, Pope Alexander VI, got elected, and then he died and the papa enclave almost immediately thereafter elected him with the Borja's biggest enemy, Pope Julius II.

As for corruption, meh, that's just one of the things that happens, whatever theology or ideology you hold to would inevitably turn out to be just a bad, and anyway, I just don't give a rats ass. Calling the whole church corrupt forever, in contrast to your own apparently perfect, true theology, is a protestant trope as old as shit, it isn't any more enlightening now that you've reiterated for the millionth time, or interesting to me as a history of the church.

The Christian Church was corrupted long ago and became no better then the Pharisees.

Well, at least they're not the Essenes.
 
The god or should I say "Lords" of the OT were actually mortal noble men that were called lords in those days. That is why the "god" in the OT has sooo many mortal qualities.

Yeah, I bet that pun totally works works in Hebrew, and you didn't just make that shit up off of the top of your head. Actually, they were probably just speaking English the whole time.
 
"To love another person is to see the face of God."

Poor YHWH, in the old testament he was running around and killing whatever he wanted, it was awesome. Then Christianity came along and suddenly he had to be forgiving, like a total whimp. Now, he's just about love and shit? Just a complete and total pussification, such humiliation.
 
The trinity is a pagan concept. 3 Lords/emperors = one.

During most of Rome's history, there was 1 emperor, besides in the Tetrarch, when there were 4, and when two emperors ruled over two technically independent eastern and western empire's that yet claimed to be one. There were five emperors for about a few days after Constantine's death, until Constantine's three sons murdered all the other males in the family at his funeral, including two of those five, leaving just them. And that lasted until two of those got together and killed the other one a couple of years later. I suppose the trinity would be referring to this brief period of time?
 
One? This CLEARLY shows that the Bible is NOT infallible a claim preachers(wolves in sheep's clothing) make. You can argue it was INSPIRED by GOD but NOT written by GOD!

TWO? It clearly shows a MAJOR discrepancy. The god of the O.T seems more mortal. The GOD of the NT is DEFINITELY more Spiritual. That explains why the laws of the OT are more fleshly, and the Laws of the NT are more spiritual.

The Old Testament is a work of bronze age mythology, the New Testament is of the classical age. The laws in the OT are more primitive just because it was a moral code for a more primitive day, when times were tough and the people had to resort to tough means. The New Testaments moral code based was instead constructed for a stable, sedentary, agricultural civilization, it's more modern, so it's closer to our own. Whether or not their "fleshly" or "spiritual", I don't give a shit. Being spiritual is just like being religious, except more annoying.
 
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