Democrats against education...

Jarod said:
I am pulling my kids out of a Charter School this year and returning them to Public School. There are a variety of reasons, but the biggest is that this particular Charter School they are in is actively discouraging parental involvement. While the local Public School is recruiting parental involvement, even though I kids don't yet attend.
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LMAO
 
Superfreak said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
When one is presented with ALL the FACTS, there is no need to "attack", as right wing propaganda is easily dismantled. From two leading local journalists:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1718465

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/d...icle-1.1718314
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Can you articulate what it is in those articles that you believe dismantles the article I linked to?
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Did you read the articles? I read yours. Here's a hint from my response to CaWacko http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...crats-against-education&p=1461643#post1461643
 
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cawacko said:
How do publicly funded charter schools throw costs to the parents? (not a rhetorical question)

And if charter schools are being used to dismantle public education why are there Democrats such as President Obama who support them?
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Charter school have the ability to rule who attends their schools, certain standards must be met, what then do you do with the children who do not fit charter school standards?

I do not have problems with charter schools as long as there are not students left behind because they not have parents who participate or who have disabilities.
 
Jarod said:
I have to agree with the dervish, it does not take a genius to get a degree, and a degree is not much of an indication at an ability to accomplish anything other than a degree.

I am pulling my kids out of a Charter School this year and returning them to Public School. There are a variety of reasons, but the biggest is that this particular Charter School they are in is actively discouraging parental involvement. While the local Public School is recruiting parental involvement, even though I kids don't yet attend.
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Interesting! It is usually the opposite! There charter requires a certain amount of parental involvement.
 
Teflon Don said:
You either don't understand what a free market is or you are happy with the status quo.

If you truly want to help someone grab one kid and tutor them.

Everything else is sophistry.

If you want a true free market approach, then push a free market approach.

You seem like a nice guy but you are the kind if republican that has gotten this country into the mess that it is in. You talk about conservative principles in the abstract but you aren't willing to fight for them. In your desire to be liked and not called names you fold like a cheap suit and cave to the left. You think that you are going to outsmart the left by trying to water down their leftism and you call it "compromise" and you pat yourself on the back and head off to the bar to be lauded as a "a good righty" by the lefties. Meanwhile your positions do as much to harm this country as anything the left does.

The time for trying to tweek left wing fuck ups is over. It is time to dismantle it.

When I hear people like you say "it won't be privitized" that tells me you either don't believe in the free market or you are too chicken to fight for what you believe.

But that is my opinion. Have a blessed day
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TD, I'm curious as to what policies you feel I capitulate to liberals on?

Regarding education I don't see anyone nationally (or locally) pushing to privatize our entire school system. What I do see prominent conservatives and libertarians pushing for is school choice as do I.

I don't take this as a personal attack. I am interested in hearing where else you feel I give in.
 
Sardonic said:
I do not have problems with charter schools as long as there are not students left behind because they not have parents who participate or who have disabilities.
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But what better way to demonstrate the importance of parental participation than to allow those children with involved parents an opportunity to succeed?
 
Bonestorm said:
Yeah, that'll show those kids to be born to better parents next time.
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Despite all of your heart-felt wishes, government will never be able to assume the role and responsibilities of parents, and it's a terrifying thought that they might even try. They can only encourage good parenting, not substitute for it.
 
Taft2016 said:
Despite all of your heart-felt wishes, government will never be able to assume the role and responsibilities of parents, and it's a terrifying thought that they might even try. They can only encourage good parenting, not substitute for it.
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LOL. Nice. Why defend your own ideas when it's so much easier to attack the ideas you pretend others hold?
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/03/18/the_charter_conspirators_121968.html

Another good article on charter schools...
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No, this is yet another joker who relies more on his opinion, supposition and conjecture than fact based references. You seem hell bent on parroting this crap while IGNORING what others on the scene FACTUALLY contradict. http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...crats-against-education&p=1462665#post1462665

As for how charter schools treat their teachers:

http://www.examiner.com/article/charter-school-teachers-the-silent-side-of-the-charter-school-story

http://seattleducation2010.wordpress.com/charter-schools/a-teachers-perspective/
 
Taft2016 said:
Despite all of your heart-felt wishes, government will never be able to assume the role and responsibilities of parents, and it's a terrifying thought that they might even try. They can only encourage good parenting, not substitute for it.
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Also, too, tough shit, kiddies!
 
cawacko said:
TD, I'm curious as to what policies you feel I capitulate to liberals on?

Regarding education I don't see anyone nationally (or locally) pushing to privatize our entire school system. What I do see prominent conservatives and libertarians pushing for is school choice as do I.

I don't take this as a personal attack. I am interested in hearing where else you feel I give in.
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Yes except your and libertarians position is hypocritical in that you want choice at taxpayers expense while undermining public education. Your argument is also a canard in that you already have choice. If you don't want your kids to attend public schools then send them to private school and pay for it.

The gross failure rate of Charter schools has proven that they are not part of the solution. The real problem in American education is parents who don't value their childrens education and the manner in which we pay for education.
 
The Dude said:
Your parents want to blame your failure on the system.
It's your fault.
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Bazinga! Hit the nail right on the head. They'd rather blame someone else than admit that their poor parenting and/or the lack of effort by their little crumb snatcher is a big part of the problem.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yes except your and libertarians position is hypocritical in that you want choice at taxpayers expense while undermining public education.
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ROFLMAO... it is not at tax payers expense. The money is from tax payers regardless of which school it goes to... public nightmare schools or public charter schools. The money belongs in the one the parents feel give their kids the best chance at a quality education.

Your argument is also a canard in that you already have choice. If you don't want your kids to attend public schools then send them to private school and pay for it.
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Except the poor families cannot afford to do so. Which is why public charter schools are there. To give THEIR kids a better chance at succeeding. THEY get to chose what is best for their kids... NOT YOU.

The gross failure rate of Charter schools has proven that they are not part of the solution. .
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What 'gross failure' rate Mutt? All you post is the link to some charter schools failing in OH and then you pretend that is the norm. The bulk of the schools in OH are failures... both public and public charter. Yet you only see the charter schools that fail. The study we have all been discussing shows the schools that do the best relative to public schools are the ones in low income areas.

The real problem in American education is parents who don't value their childrens education and the manner in which we pay for education
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This is a big problem. Yet for those parents in low income areas that DO value their kids education WANT charter schools. Yet you want to deny them that.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Quote Originally Posted by Superfreak View Post
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...rs_121968.html

Another good article on charter schools...
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No, this is yet another joker who relies more on his opinion, supposition and conjecture than fact based references. You seem hell bent on parroting this crap while IGNORING what others on the scene FACTUALLY contradict. http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...crats-against-education&p=1462665#post1462665

As for how charter schools treat their teachers:

http://www.examiner.com/article/charter-school-teachers-the-silent-side-of-the-charter-school-story

http://seattleducation2010.wordpress.com/charter-schools/a-teachers-perspective/
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The silence from the SuperFreak speaks volumes!
 
And here's another tidbit regarding the charter school debate. Here in New York City (and it's suburbs) our local television has been bombarded with a series of commercials hailing charter schools and condemning Mayor De Blasio.

The cost of these commercials? $3.6 million dollars in less than 1 month!

Hell, you could BUILD a school and fully equip it for that amount of money! The funding comes from an unnamed group of pro-charter school "financiers".

Funny how in all the years of complaints of NYC schools being in disrepair, understaffed and under-equipped, you didn't get a penny out of these "financiers".

The retort is that "teacher unions do the same" has YET to be proven. I'm not saying that teacher unions don't run commercials or put money into politicians or advocates for their cause, but if anyone can show me where they did to the tune of $3.6 million in less than 1 month, then I'll be surprised.

Democrats are against creating a two tier educational system using public property and taxes.....they are not against education.
 
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