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Imagine that...misusing faith as a way to hurt people. Golly. How could these politicians have seen that coming?



Christian lawmakers fall for ‘Ponzi schemer’ who said he’d found Noah’s Ark


It might have been a warning sign when he said he’d found Noah’s Ark.

Ponzi schemes are notoriously attractive at the onset, then look awfully stupid in the rear-view mirror. The latest, in Texas, involves conservative Christian lawmakers and a man who promised outsized profits on energy trading software, milking lawmakers with his alleged Christian bona fides.

“I ran into him at a conservative event,” state Rep. Bill Zedler told the Dallas Morning News. “What he had said was he was in the Mount Ararat region and they had come up with some stuff. He may have given me a DVD.”

In essence, they say they put their faith in a man who played at being godly and literally buttered his pitch in bible verse.

“You should have seen his house,” Zedler said. “He really played up his Christian credentials. On the ceiling there was a dome and around the dome there was a Bible verse. To me, he used that as a way to get us to try to put our guard down.”

Archer Bonemma, the businessman lawmakers have accused of fraud, pitched them on a startup which he said would reap large profits on energy trades. Shortly after the state representatives made their bets — which totaled $2.5 million — the startup filed for bankruptcy.

The Texas lawmakers said they think Bonemma targeted them because they were religious men.

Zedler, for example, has used his faith and “family values” as a public relations technique — both for his campaigns and to prevent developments near his own home. On his campaign site, he notes he “served on the Board of Elders for Park Springs Bible Church, and on the Advisory Board of the Arlington Pregnancy Center.”

Notes the Houston Chronicle:

Zedler, a Republican from Arlington, filed an amendment to the state’s general appropriations bill, SB 1, that would prohibit public colleges and universities from using state funds to fund “Gender and Sexuality Centers”. Zedler’s bill alleges these campus resource centers “support, promote, or encourage any behavior that would lead to high risk behavior for AIDS, Hepatitis B or any other sexually transmitted disease.”

Zedler’s office did not return call for comment. Zedler first gained notoriety for leading a grassroots blockade against a Hooters restaurant set to open near his neighborhood in Arlington and was subsequently elected to the Texas House in 2003.

A second family values lawmaker, Wayne Christian, was also netted in the scheme. Christian is a financial analyst who has played to religious elements of his party in the state legislature. He’s referred to a pro-choice state senator as a “terrorist” and authored a bill that sought to ban colleges or universities from prohibiting studies based on creationism or “intelligent design.”

Texans for Public Justice, a nonprofit campaign watchdog group, made light of the irony of both lawmakers’ investments in comments to the Morning News.

“It doesn’t surprise me that we’re having people running this state who have poor judgment and are falling for this stuff,” said research director Andrew Wheat. “I wouldn’t want these guys running the state. It looks like they found Noah’s Ark and it sunk.”

“Imagine that — misusing faith as a way to hurt people,” the liberal watchdog Texas Freedom Network wrote on their website Saturday. “Golly. How could these politicians have seen that coming?”

They added:

When the company collapsed, Christian, King, Paxton, Zedler and other investors sued, claiming they were victims of a Ponzi-like scheme. That’s also a bit ironic. The good-government, anti-corruption group Texans for Public Justice reports that those four politicians have received more than $620,000 since 2008 from Texans for Lawsuit Reform — a political action committee that wants to make it harder for Texans to sue when they think they have been wronged.

After a settlement of the lawsuit, the Pirin Electric investors will get back just a small fraction of the money they lost. Meanwhile, Christian, King, Paxton and Zedler want voters to trust them to make better decisions with taxpayer money than they do with their own.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/...r-ponzi-schemer-who-said-hed-found-noahs-ark/
 
Imagine that...misusing faith as a way to hurt people. Golly. How could these politicians have seen that coming?



Christian lawmakers fall for ‘Ponzi schemer’ who said he’d found Noah’s Ark


It might have been a warning sign when he said he’d found Noah’s Ark.

Ponzi schemes are notoriously attractive at the onset, then look awfully stupid in the rear-view mirror. The latest, in Texas, involves conservative Christian lawmakers and a man who promised outsized profits on energy trading software, milking lawmakers with his alleged Christian bona fides.

“I ran into him at a conservative event,” state Rep. Bill Zedler told the Dallas Morning News. “What he had said was he was in the Mount Ararat region and they had come up with some stuff. He may have given me a DVD.”

In essence, they say they put their faith in a man who played at being godly and literally buttered his pitch in bible verse.

“You should have seen his house,” Zedler said. “He really played up his Christian credentials. On the ceiling there was a dome and around the dome there was a Bible verse. To me, he used that as a way to get us to try to put our guard down.”

Archer Bonemma, the businessman lawmakers have accused of fraud, pitched them on a startup which he said would reap large profits on energy trades. Shortly after the state representatives made their bets — which totaled $2.5 million — the startup filed for bankruptcy.

The Texas lawmakers said they think Bonemma targeted them because they were religious men.

Zedler, for example, has used his faith and “family values” as a public relations technique — both for his campaigns and to prevent developments near his own home. On his campaign site, he notes he “served on the Board of Elders for Park Springs Bible Church, and on the Advisory Board of the Arlington Pregnancy Center.”

Notes the Houston Chronicle:

Zedler, a Republican from Arlington, filed an amendment to the state’s general appropriations bill, SB 1, that would prohibit public colleges and universities from using state funds to fund “Gender and Sexuality Centers”. Zedler’s bill alleges these campus resource centers “support, promote, or encourage any behavior that would lead to high risk behavior for AIDS, Hepatitis B or any other sexually transmitted disease.”

Zedler’s office did not return call for comment. Zedler first gained notoriety for leading a grassroots blockade against a Hooters restaurant set to open near his neighborhood in Arlington and was subsequently elected to the Texas House in 2003.

A second family values lawmaker, Wayne Christian, was also netted in the scheme. Christian is a financial analyst who has played to religious elements of his party in the state legislature. He’s referred to a pro-choice state senator as a “terrorist” and authored a bill that sought to ban colleges or universities from prohibiting studies based on creationism or “intelligent design.”

Texans for Public Justice, a nonprofit campaign watchdog group, made light of the irony of both lawmakers’ investments in comments to the Morning News.

“It doesn’t surprise me that we’re having people running this state who have poor judgment and are falling for this stuff,” said research director Andrew Wheat. “I wouldn’t want these guys running the state. It looks like they found Noah’s Ark and it sunk.”

“Imagine that — misusing faith as a way to hurt people,” the liberal watchdog Texas Freedom Network wrote on their website Saturday. “Golly. How could these politicians have seen that coming?”

They added:

When the company collapsed, Christian, King, Paxton, Zedler and other investors sued, claiming they were victims of a Ponzi-like scheme. That’s also a bit ironic. The good-government, anti-corruption group Texans for Public Justice reports that those four politicians have received more than $620,000 since 2008 from Texans for Lawsuit Reform — a political action committee that wants to make it harder for Texans to sue when they think they have been wronged.

After a settlement of the lawsuit, the Pirin Electric investors will get back just a small fraction of the money they lost. Meanwhile, Christian, King, Paxton and Zedler want voters to trust them to make better decisions with taxpayer money than they do with their own.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/...r-ponzi-schemer-who-said-hed-found-noahs-ark/

Well, look at it this way.....it wasn't taxpayers money.....

This was...

Solyndra( $535 million)Bankrupt

Abound($400 million)Bankrupt

Beacon Power*: $25 million in DOE grants and a DOE loan for $43 million. Bankrupt

Amonix*: Received $6 million in federal tax credits a $15.6 million grant from the DOE for research and development. Bankrupt

And you want voters to trust this guy to make better decisions with taxpayer money ?
 
Well, look at it this way.....it wasn't taxpayers money.....

This was...

Solyndra( $535 million)Bankrupt

Abound($400 million)Bankrupt

Beacon Power*: $25 million in DOE grants and a DOE loan for $43 million. Bankrupt

Amonix*: Received $6 million in federal tax credits a $15.6 million grant from the DOE for research and development. Bankrupt

And you want voters to trust this guy to make better decisions with taxpayer money ?



Oh, you mean like the $73 MILLION that Kentucky is using to build a fake Noah's Ark?
 
Oh, you mean like the $73 MILLION that Kentucky is using to build a fake Noah's Ark?

Can you spell 'strawman' ?

No, I mean taxpayers money coming from the Federal Gov. in DC.....

Incidently, this theme park and its attractions are being built from donations and the sale of bonds being offered by the city of Williamstown
where the park is being built....ain't gonna cost you a cent is it ?

And it ain't any more fake than the castle in Disneyworld or Santa's Workshop in Colorado Springs....
...did you expect the real thing ?
 
Can you spell 'strawman' ?

No, I mean taxpayers money coming from the Federal Gov. in DC.....

Incidently, this theme park and its attractions are being built from donations and the sale of bonds being offered by the city of Williamstown
where the park is being built....ain't gonna cost you a cent is it ?

And it ain't any more fake than the castle in Disneyworld or Santa's Workshop in Colorado Springs....
...did you expect the real thing ?


I'm sorry, but it was you who opened the door to discussing how other entities are wasting taxpayer money, when you ignored the topic of the thread to deviate into yet another attack on President Obama.

For some reason, none of you Righties don't want to talk about how a "good Christian" used people's faith to lie to them and rip them off.
 
Clearly anyone who wants your money demands scrutiny. The government does not require salesmanship, just a little contribution to the campaign.
 
I'm sorry, but it was you who opened the door to discussing how other entities are wasting taxpayer money, when you ignored the topic of the thread to deviate into yet another attack on President Obama.

For some reason, none of you Righties don't want to talk about how a "good Christian" used people's faith to lie to them and rip them off.


Its hardly news worthy.....

with about 70% of the country claiming to be "Christian" and tens or hundreds of thousands of scams going on, its obvious it can't be just non-Christians doing the scamming...
 
especially you can trust these guys to keep order, since that's what they are paid to do.....

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/nyc-police-duty-protect-hero-video/#.UxT8Hc6jMS9

Yet Lozito, who is suing the city, says that he never should have been attacked in the first place. He alleges that police officers Terrance Howell and Tamara Taylor, who were also on the subway, lazily ignored the fact that Gelman was loudly blundering about the train, even dismissing passengers who tried to alert them to Gelman’s presence.

The city is refusing to settle the suit, arguing that police had no duty to protect the people on the train. But “that doesn’t detract from the Police Department’s public safety mission,” the city says, “or the fact that New York is the safest big city in America.” It’s curious that New York City would tout its safety record while asserting that its police officers have no responsibility to protect people from knife-wielding madmen.
 
I'm sorry, but it was you who opened the door to discussing how other entities are wasting taxpayer money, when you ignored the topic of the thread to deviate into yet another attack on President Obama.

For some reason, none of you Righties don't want to talk about how a "good Christian" used people's faith to lie to them and rip them off.

Well there have been hucksters and snake oil salesman since the beginning of time. Clearly this man presented himself as a Christian, doesn't necessarily mean he was one of course. What should be my take away? That I should stop being a Christian? Don't invest in start-ups by someone who claims to be Christian?
 
Zappa is becoming infamous for his strawman trolling posts.....if it isn't Christians, its gun owners. Its laughable.....

Its usually peoples greed and those that think they can make a fast buck that get scammed.....

of course some elderly get caught up in them too....everyone is susceptible.....I'll bet I get 5 to 10 phone calls a week about free medical alerts, paid vacations I
supposedly won, or other nonsense.....
The prisons of filled with "good Christians", all you gotta do is ask them....big deal.
 
I'm sorry, but it was you who opened the door to discussing how other entities are wasting taxpayer money, when you ignored the topic of the thread to deviate into yet another attack on President Obama.

For some reason, none of you Righties don't want to talk about how a "good Christian" used people's faith to lie to them and rip them off.
oh, there are "good" Christians everywhere. The story made my skin crawl, and reminded me of my previous employer.

The point is, this is not how faithful Christians roll. it's important that you understand this.
 
Well there have been hucksters and snake oil salesman since the beginning of time. Clearly this man presented himself as a Christian, doesn't necessarily mean he was one of course. What should be my take away? That I should stop being a Christian? Don't invest in start-ups by someone who claims to be Christian?

Bump for Zap. I am curious what you would like to be the takeaway here.
 
Haha! That came out right as I was graduating high school. The year before that BBD taught me not to trust a big butt and a smile. :)


 
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