Is "Thug" an overused term with racial undertones?

Darla said:
Nope. What he's saying is you can say something sexit or racist without being sexit or racist. It's a great point and one that serves to make you feel less defensive. I think
Maybe people like you and grind want to feel defensive though.
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please define sexit...
 
(sigh) said:
this is very interesting. thank you.

Thug is officially not on the racist words master list. I think we can now call this case-closed.
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It is only recently added to the vernacular, so case is not closed, list will be updated to include "thug"
 
Damocles said:
Yeah, because the only Native American tribe that had African descendant members clearly are the racists here and use "good ones" regularly to describe people of minority status. Dung, quit playing "gotcha" and start holding a conversation.
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Thanks, dad
 
aeprga said:
Thank you, leaningright, for that thoughtful post. In my view, the standards applied to athletes are asinine in general. Looking at the people you mentioned, Ben Roethlesberger is a rapist. I mean, yeah, it's OK to $&@% on him. Chris Christie is the governor of one of the larger states and has been talked about as a potential presidential candidate. Mitch McConnell is the Senate Minority Leader. Maxine Waters was a member of the US House of Representatives. Richard Sherman is 25 and plays football for a living.

Also, too, and just out of curiosity, where does SF's behavior rank with respect to your standards of acceptability?
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Out of the political figures you mentioned, which ones are likely to influence the greatest number of young people? Ask the average 12-17 year old who Maxine Waters is and you'll be lucky to get a blank stare. Mr. Sherman is getting ready to play on the biggest stage of any sporting event outside of the Indy 500. His interview has been the talk of all the kids in my classes who play and/or follow sports. Right or wrong I look at him as having a lot more influence with young people and this is why I feel compelled to point out that I found his interview repulsive. As a person who has played team sports (as opposed to golf or tennis or whatever) all my life I found it to be way too "me" oriented. Not an attitude I wish for young people to exhibit. But enough about that. I have talked about the [bad] behavior of sports figures before and said why I feel it is worth pointing out and talking about. I think we disagree here.

As to SF... You guys always go back and forth and I think we both know that I would not use the same verbiage that a lot of folks on here use (including you-note the edit above ;) and I think it was you who said call Sherman the d-word but not a thug. I'd never do that.)...but this is a message board and the audience is fairly small. I'll not get into the middle of any word fights here. I enjoy reading what both you and SF have to write and find the back and forth entertaining.
 
(sigh) said:
it's in response to your "i dont know why it's so difficult to grasp"... we get what you are saying, we just don't agree.
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You don't agree that a person who isn't racist can say something racist? Oh okay.

Anyway, this is a fascinating thread and I have been thinking about it on my drive back to my office. I think the reactions in this thread displayed by Grind (arrogantly stating what he's not going to do), and Superfreak, et el, are really the last gasps of the white male hegemony. The death throes really.

Because you are going to. Here's why. This war was fought and won long ago, and all that remains are some skirmishes. I would say the defining battle in the war was won in 1991 during the Thomas hearings. That looked like a win for you guys on its face, after all, Thomas got his seat...but it was a huge loss. Any one working at that time can testify to what a loss it was. The changes were fast, furious, and dead serious.

I invite anyone here to check out a fortune 500 company's employee handbook and HR guidelines and rules. There are so many rules against things I don't personally find offensive. So if you think I'm tough, wait.

Every day there is another story about some clueless white dude who made a sexist or racist joke in a company email and their ass is fired. Same with white women send racist jokes. Fired. There is no meeting. There is no, hey let's get superfreak's take on this...no, did anyone check with Grind? There is no, hey let's ask the internet.

Fired.

The same goes for owners of companies. They face boycotts and economic repercussions. Corporations will immediately withdraw their ad dollars when someone says something racist or sexist.

The fact is, this war was won and you guys tow the line every day. You can't say the things you (I speak here of the angry white male who is ubiquitous on the internet) say online. You will not be hired if it's found on your facebook page, you will be fired if you're already working there, you will not get promotions, businesses will shun you, you will suffer great economic hardship. You all tow the line. And this is the last battlefield and really the only place left where you guys can talk shit...and note that it's all anonymously. But that's all it is. Shit talking from a dead empire. That's just the fact jack. In real life you guys tow the line, and that's what you're really angry about. But you'll continue towing it. :)

Have a great day!
 
Darla said:
You don't agree that a person who isn't racist can say something racist? Oh okay.

Anyway, this is a fascinating thread and I have been thinking about it on my drive back to my office. I think the reactions in this thread displayed by Grind (arrogantly stating what he's not going to do), and Superfreak, et el, are really the last gasps of the white male hegemony. The death throes really.

Because you are going to. Here's why. This war was fought and won long ago, and all that remains are some skirmishes. I would say the defining battle in the war was won in 1991 during the Thomas hearings. That looked like a win for you guys on its face, after all, Thomas got his seat...but it was a huge loss. Any one working at that time can testify to what a loss it was. The changes were fast, furious, and dead serious.

I invite anyone here to check out a fortune 500 company's employee handbook and HR guidelines and rules. There are so many rules against things I don't personally find offensive. So if you think I'm tough, wait.

Every day there is another story about some clueless white dude who made a sexist or racist joke in a company email and their ass is fired. Same with white women send racist jokes. Fired. There is no meeting. There is no, hey let's get superfreak's take on this...no, did anyone check with Grind? There is no, hey let's ask the internet.

Fired.

The same goes for owners of companies. They face boycotts and economic repercussions. Corporations will immediately withdraw their ad dollars when someone says something racist or sexist.

The fact is, this war was won and you guys tow the line every day. You can't say the things you (I speak here of the angry white male who is ubiquitous on the internet) say online. You will not be hired if it's found on your facebook page, you will be fired if you're already working there, you will not get promotions, businesses will shun you, you will suffer great economic hardship. You all tow the line. And this is the last battlefield and really the only place left where you guys can talk shit...and note that it's all anonymously. But that's all it is. Shit talking from a dead empire. That's just the fact jack. In real life you guys tow the line, and that's what you're really angry about. But you'll continue towing it. :)

Have a great day!
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Translation: "I am going to go on a long rant about sexual harassment and racism in the workplace and pretend that means any word I deem racist/sexist in reality will get you guys fired if you say it"
 
Superfreak said:
Translation: "I am going to go on a long rant about sexual harassment and racism in the workplace and pretend that means any word I deem racist/sexist in reality will get you guys fired if you say it"
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Keep your day job you suck as a translator.

I am not the arbitrator of what is and isn't racist. This is a conversation that the gentleman in question has started himself by objecting to being termed a thug. If society decides that calling black males thugs is racist, you will abide. It has nothing to do with Darla. Darla is just the easiest person for you to take your frustrations out on. If a black client comes in with money to invest and makes an off hand comment about thug being racist, your ass will smile and nod. Society will decide and the market place will enforce.
 
Darla said:
You don't agree that a person who isn't racist can say something racist? Oh okay.

Anyway, this is a fascinating thread and I have been thinking about it on my drive back to my office. I think the reactions in this thread displayed by Grind (arrogantly stating what he's not going to do), and Superfreak, et el, are really the last gasps of the white male hegemony. The death throes really.

Because you are going to. Here's why. This war was fought and won long ago, and all that remains are some skirmishes. I would say the defining battle in the war was won in 1991 during the Thomas hearings. That looked like a win for you guys on its face, after all, Thomas got his seat...but it was a huge loss. Any one working at that time can testify to what a loss it was. The changes were fast, furious, and dead serious.

I invite anyone here to check out a fortune 500 company's employee handbook and HR guidelines and rules. There are so many rules against things I don't personally find offensive. So if you think I'm tough, wait.

Every day there is another story about some clueless white dude who made a sexist or racist joke in a company email and their ass is fired. Same with white women send racist jokes. Fired. There is no meeting. There is no, hey let's get superfreak's take on this...no, did anyone check with Grind? There is no, hey let's ask the internet.

Fired.

The same goes for owners of companies. They face boycotts and economic repercussions. Corporations will immediately withdraw their ad dollars when someone says something racist or sexist.

The fact is, this war was won and you guys tow the line every day. You can't say the things you (I speak here of the angry white male who is ubiquitous on the internet) say online. You will not be hired if it's found on your facebook page, you will be fired if you're already working there, you will not get promotions, businesses will shun you, you will suffer great economic hardship. You all tow the line. And this is the last battlefield and really the only place left where you guys can talk shit...and note that it's all anonymously. But that's all it is. Shit talking from a dead empire. That's just the fact jack. In real life you guys tow the line, and that's what you're really angry about. But you'll continue towing it. :)

Have a great day!
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And if society decides that thug is a racist term, leaning right will damn sure not call any of his black students that name. If he had any. And that is how society will decide it will be, and you will all smile and nod in your real lives, and come here and take your anger out, anonymously, on the nearest woman or black guy. And that is what makes me smile. Because I know. :)
 
Darla said:
Keep your day job you suck as a translator.

I am not the arbitrator of what is and isn't racist. This is a conversation that the gentleman in question has started himself by objecting to being termed a thug. If society decides that calling black males thugs is racist, you will abide. It has nothing to do with Darla. Darla is just the easiest person for you to take your frustrations out on. If a black client comes in with money to invest and makes an off hand comment about thug being racist, your ass will smile and nod. Society will decide and the market place will enforce.
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translation: "I am going to keep whining about this, so feel free to ignore my future ramblings"
 
(sigh) said:
for someone that feels the war has been won, she sure does fucking complain a lot. lol.
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Very true...

She probably has a word of the day calendar and each day she adds a secret racist/sexist 'code word' that she envisions as da evilz for white men to say
 
The Human Stain is interesting novel by Phillip Roth about a professor at a liberal arts college in New England who is accused of racism and subsequently resigns because he referred to two absent black students in his class as "spooks" (as in specters, ghosts, apparitions) without ever having set eyes on them. As it turns out, the professor is actually a light-skinned black man who adopted a white (Jewish) racial identity after WWII (I think). It's worth a read.
 
aeprga said:
The Human Stain is interesting novel by Phillip Roth about a professor at a liberal arts college in New England who is accused of racism and subsequently resigns because he referred to two absent black students in his class as "spooks" (as in specters, ghosts, apparitions) without ever having set eyes on them. As it turns out, the professor is actually a light-skinned black man who adopted a white (Jewish) racial identity after WWII (I think). It's worth a read.
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is this your way of admitting the world has gone overly pc?
 
Superfreak said:
Very true...

She probably has a word of the day calendar and each day she adds a secret racist/sexist 'code word' that she envisions as da evilz for white men to say
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I don't know how middle-aged white males manage in a society like ours. It's gotta be tough.
 
Darla said:
Keep your day job you suck as a translator.

I am not the arbitrator of what is and isn't racist. This is a conversation that the gentleman in question has started himself by objecting to being termed a thug. If society decides that calling black males thugs is racist, you will abide. It has nothing to do with Darla. Darla is just the easiest person for you to take your frustrations out on. If a black client comes in with money to invest and makes an off hand comment about thug being racist, your ass will smile and nod. Society will decide and the market place will enforce.
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Here, here!
 
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