Compromise between Liberals and Conservatives on gun control

Sun Devil

Sun Devil

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As a gun owner myself I have to say that I want irresponsible people to not own guns, not the responsible gun owners. I think the debate regarding gun control is more about panic and fear of those gaining access to guns as oppose to the availability of guns. The issue of weapons has long been a problem and all we have to do is look at the violence that was going on in the 90's in California.

During the 80's and 90's during the gang warefare between the Bloods and the Crips the nation never really discussed gun control to the extent of where it is today. I personally believe that the idea of "minorities wiping each other out" is less of an issue than a mentally disturbed white kid from the "burbs" who sprays a bunch of children. Now of course I'm not trying to debate race on the issue but I'm merely noting the country's focus and debate on gun control.

I personally feel why was this discussion not at the forefront of the nation's topics when more people (more innocent civilians as opposed to gangs) died from gang violence from guns than soldiers from the Vietnam war? Where was this anger about the president trying to take guns away during the Reagan/Bush administration?
 
Sun Devil said:
Where was this anger about the president trying to take guns away during the Reagan/Bush administration?
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There was plenty of it. In fact it led to the current incarnation of the NRA we have today. It just wasn't as public because, well one you weren't alive/relevent enough to see it, and two, without the aid of the internet a lot of sentiments aren't so readily expressed.
 
French 75 said:
There was plenty of it. In fact it led to the current incarnation of the NRA we have today. It just wasn't as public because, well one you weren't alive/relevent enough to see it, and two, without the aid of the internet a lot of sentiments aren't so readily expressed.
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Really? Living in Los Angeles back then, I couldn't tell. There were gun shops near liquor stores in the late 80's early 90's so how was this discussed heavily then? Do you have anything I could read regarding the issues of gun control discussion during that time?
 
Sun Devil said:
Really? Living in Los Angeles back then, I couldn't tell. There were gun shops near liquor stores in the late 80's early 90's so how was this discussed heavily then? Do you have anything I could read regarding the issues of gun control discussion during that time?
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That's part of your problem right there.

But as for reading...hell I dunno what I could suggest that you wouldn't have to buy. There might be some published writings of Jeff and Neal Knox online, their books on the subject are written at the time you're talking about.
 
It was a non-starter for one but you simply didnt see legislators feeling the heat. And the left was not nearly as shrill back then.
 
French 75 said:
That's part of your problem right there.

But as for reading...hell I dunno what I could suggest that you wouldn't have to buy. There might be some published writings of Jeff and Neal Knox online, their books on the subject are written at the time you're talking about.
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So living in Los Angeles is the problem? Or am I missing something....The argument that many Californians and myself have is the issue of gun control today and the idea of gun control and people who suffer from mental disorders are at the forefront today because some disgruntled white kid went in a batman theater and shot some people up and the same with Sandy Hook. My argument is what about in the late 80's and 90's during the Reagan and Bush Sr era where gang violence at its peak saw more death than people in Vietnam? Where was the discussion about mental disorders? Being of the 80's I don't recall while living in los angeles having to wear neutral colors (not even a Raiders logo) that gun control was discussed nor did we discuss mental disorders or bullying as we are today. Kids were bringing guns to school when I was growing up and there wasn't a national discussion.
 
I guess the Brady Bunch went right over some peoples' heads...whoosh.


The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence are affiliated 501(c)(4) and 501(c)(3) (respectively) non-profit organizations in the United States. They are named after James Brady who was permanently disabled as a result of an assassination attempt on U.S. President Ronald Reagan in 1981.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign


Can't get much more "Reagan era" than that, can you?
 
Sun Devil said:
So living in Los Angeles is the problem?
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Yes, especially in this era.
Or am I missing something....The argument that many Californians and myself have is the issue of gun control today and the idea of gun control and people who suffer from mental disorders are at the forefront today because some disgruntled white kid went in a batman theater and shot some people up and the same with Sandy Hook.
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Well, those are mass killings with a lot of high profile media exposure because it makes people FEEL unsafe, like it could happen ANYWHERE.
My argument is what about in the late 80's and 90's during the Reagan and Bush Sr era where gang violence at its peak saw more death than people in Vietnam? Where was the discussion about mental disorders?
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No ones cares about gangs killing people, which was (and still is) the perception. That's why.
Being of the 80's I don't recall while living in los angeles having to wear neutral colors (not even a Raiders logo) that gun control was discussed nor did we discuss mental disorders or bullying as we are today. Kids were bringing guns to school when I was growing up and there wasn't a national discussion.
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Ok.
 
I have a great compromise. We'll give up tax dollars for better mental health coverage, you get rid of the NFA of 1934 (and the enforcement of said act, which can be turned towards mental health coverage).
 
Sun Devil said:
As a gun owner myself I have to say that I want irresponsible people to not own guns, not the responsible gun owners. I think the debate regarding gun control is more about panic and fear of those gaining access to guns as oppose to the availability of guns. The issue of weapons has long been a problem and all we have to do is look at the violence that was going on in the 90's in California.
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it's not a problem at all. 30,000 people die each year in car crashes and no one bats an eyelid. We've set up a false argument at the onset. 14,000 gun deaths each year is a trivial number not even worth discussing.
 
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