Gallup Proves Those With Least Education Consistently Vote Democrat

maineman said:
and, as I said... that is not universally accurate.
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And as I said, that doesn't matter. If it was a right it would have to be returned upon completion of sentence in places that do not allow convicted felons to vote.

The rights of free speech, religion, assembly, all are returned.

But not this alleged "right to vote."

Voting is a right, not a privilege.
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And if it was a right it would be returned to convicted felons.

If it was a right those under 18 years of age would also have it, just like they have the right to free speech, assembly, and religion.

See?
 
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Taft2016 said:
And as I said, that doesn't matter. If it was a right it would have to be returned upon completion of sentence in places that do not allow convicted felons to vote.

The rights of free speech, religion, assembly, all are returned.

But not this alleged "right to vote."



And if it was a right it would be returned to convicted felons.

If it was a right those under 18 years of age would also have it, just like they have the right to free speech, assembly, and religion.

See?
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semantics.... if you want to call it a privilege, go for it. But if you require a citizen of the US to pay for the privilege of voting, it's a poll tax and THAT is unconstitutional.

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maineman said:
semantics.... if you want to call it a privilege, go for it.
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No, it's not semantics. If it was a Constitutional right it could not be denied on the basis of age or conviction status.

A 17 year-old can have an abortion, which is allegedly a Constitutional right, but not vote. In some states an under-aged girl can have an abortion on her own, but not get her ears pierced without parental consent. Ear piercings are not a Constitutional right.

See?

But if you require a citizen of the US to pay for the privilege of voting, it's a poll tax and THAT is unconstitutional. See?
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I wasn't arguing against that point. So why would I need to "see"?
 
maineman said:
my father was not a criminal. He was just an old man, a long standing registered voter, and he no longer had any valid ID.

And... just so you know... your statement about felons being able to vote is not universally correct in the US.
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So how does he prove who he is, in a legal standing?
 
Actually Taft, you're assertion that felons cannot vote is not entirely true. In most, if not all states, if you're a first time offender, you can get most of your civil rights, including the right to vote restored. In New York State, for example, it is called a "Certificate of Relief From Civil Disabilities" that can be issued by the presiding judge via the local probation department when an offender completes a term of probation with no incident. A " Certificate Of Good Conduct" is the same, but for the offender who was paroled. In New York, felony offenders with this certificate can vote, serve on juries, and to a certain extent, can own long stock firearms. The restrictions on civil service and school district employment and public office still apply, though.
 
Boris The Animal said:
Actually Taft, you're assertion that felons cannot vote is not entirely true.
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Yes, I understand all of that, yet it remains beside the point.

If the "right" to vote can be removed from a convicted criminal.... it's not a Constitutional right. Their other Constitutional rights remain in place after sentence served.
 
Taft2016 said:
He doesn't.

He doesn't borrow books from the library.
He doesn't rent DVDs.
He doesn't have a credit card.

It's like Terminator 2. He's "off the grid."
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Or maybe he's a criminal like his grandson.
You know what they say about the apple not falling far from the tree. :)
 
Taft2016 said:
No, it's not semantics. If it was a Constitutional right it could not be denied on the basis of age or conviction status.

A 17 year-old can have an abortion, which is allegedly a Constitutional right, but not vote. In some states an under-aged girl can have an abortion on her own, but not get her ears pierced without parental consent. Ear piercings are not a Constitutional right.

See?



I wasn't arguing against that point. So why would I need to "see"?
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In the Fifteenth Amendment, the right to vote is not to be "denied or abridged on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude." See?
 
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]


well taft... it would seem that the constitution of the united states says that voting IS a right and not a privilege.

Anything further from the peanut gallery?

I didn't think so.
 
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