MI veto-proof ‘rape insurance’ close to becoming law w/ 4.2% voter approval

[PostmodernProphet]

Several Democratic women lawmakers became emotional during debates on Wednesday as they told personal stories of miscarriage and abortion, and State Rep. David Knezek (D) blasted the measure as misogynistic.

I assume they were among the tyrannical minority (11) who voted against it?.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Did you get to choose before? I never did.

yes, actually...I was able to save money by not having dental coverage or maternity benefits......were you unable to choose plans?....was that because your employer gave it to you for free?......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

No, it means it becomes a ballot initiative and the voters of the State will decide.

no....that would only have happened if the legislature had not passed it.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Why is it okay for a fringe element to force this into law, rather than making it a voter initiative?

60% of the elected congressmen in the state is not a "fringe element"......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

No one is forced to carry insurance for irresponsible behavior, like breaking a leg while skiing

no longer true....the ACA requires everyone to carry insurance to cover breaking a leg.....

 

[christiefan915]

yes, actually...I was able to save money by not having dental coverage or maternity benefits......were you unable to choose plans?....was that because your employer gave it to you for free?......

My employer gives a couple of levels of plan but no ability to delete items I don't want.

 

[christiefan915]

60% of the elected congressmen in the state is not a "fringe element"......

A special-interest group consisting of 4% of the voters is certainly a fringe element.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Yes, I saw that, but again, I am not up to speed on how Michigan law works.

not that complicated....the constitution provides for a possible override of a governor's veto if petitions are filed with sufficient signatures....

the matter is then scheduled for public referendum unless both houses of Congress pass the requested law....because that happened, the referendum is not required......

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

not that complicated....the constitution provides for a possible override of a governor's veto if petitions are filed with sufficient signatures....

the matter is then scheduled for public referendum unless both houses of Congress pass the requested law....because that happened, the referendum is not required......

So this thing passed both houses of Michigans state Congress? So it is not just a small fringe, it was a majority of the states legislature?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Well, DY is gone and I have usf on ignore so I only go by the rest of the posts.

again, it's not my issue that you have chosen to ignore the threads where I fight for 'leftist' positions. that is YOUR issue.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

that sounds more like anarchy than anything else

individuals do not have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives? are you state property then?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

i thought that we live in a democratic republic where whosoever controls the house, senate and presidency makes the laws and then scotus gets a shot at them if a suit is brought through the courts

we haven't had that since the 19th century. where have you been?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

unless the feds in the form of scotus or congress says otherwise

we the people must agree to that, otherwise no.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

My employer gives a couple of levels of plan but no ability to delete items I don't want.

did you wonder if some of the levels covered things the others didn't?.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

A special-interest group consisting of 4% of the voters is certainly a fringe element.

but they weren't the ones who passed it.......the 60% of the state legislature did......

 

[SmarterthanYou]

To me, too.

http://www.lp.org/platform

are you state property?

 

[Spirited]

The citizens' initiative approved 62-47 by the House and 27-11 in the Senate — almost entirely along party lines — will become law in March without the signature of Republican Gov. Rick Snyder, who vetoed similar legislation a year ago. The anti-abortion group Right to Life collected more than 300,000 signatures to put the legislation before lawmakers, who also had the option of letting it go to a statewide vote next November.

The law prohibits insurance companies from offering abortion coverage as part of both public and private health plans, except when a woman's life is at risk. Employers and individuals who want abortion coverage must buy supplemental policies, known as riders.

Michigan is the ninth state to restrict private plans from covering the procedure. Seven of the states — Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota and Oklahoma — allow patients to purchase riders, just as Michigan will.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/michigan-puts-restrictions-abortion-insurance-21187237

 

[PostmodernProphet]

So this thing passed both houses of Michigans state Congress? So it is not just a small fringe, it was a majority of the states legislature?

yes.......27-11 in the senate, 62-47 in the house......pretty much the same ratio as last year when they passed it and Snyder vetoed it....

 

[christiefan915]

yes.......27-11 in the senate, 62-47 in the house......pretty much the same ratio as last year when they passed it and Snyder vetoed it....

This is about a law that was passed because of a special-interest petition from 4% of the voters and no amount of spinning is going to change that.

You can try to make it about your legislature but we can all see through that deflection.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

This is about a law that was passed ....by the vote of 60% of the legislature......and no amount of spinning is going to change that.

ftfy.....