$7.25 an hour is not a living wage (Well Duh?!!)

SmarterthanYou said:
we've all heard and seen how raising minimum wage affects the job market. wouldn't we be better off by letting the prices of goods and services decrease in value to bring prices to a more servicable level? wouldn't that also make minimum wage more livable?
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Isn't reduction in prices supposed to be the magical result of competition in the market place? Has this in fact ever occurred, other than through the mechanisms of mass production? For instance in 1960 a pair of Levi's 501 jeans was made in America by union labor and sold for $4.95. Now they are made in Egypt by non-union workers who are probably making less than the America union workers made in 1960 and the same jeans with 2 less belt loops sell for $65 a pair. Can this increase in price actually be attributed to anything more than corporate greed and the demands of Wall Street and the financial industry for ever higher profits? Or is someone actually going to claim that a product manufactured in Egypt and made from cotton grown in Egypt costs more because of American government regulations, really? How exactly does that work?
 
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Truth Detector said:
Who is claiming that the sky is falling? Oh that's right; no one did. This is another strawman from the left.

The point being made is that it does NOTHING to improve conditions for those it claims to improve and teen unemployment has never been higher.

California's economy is in the tank in case you haven't noticed and will only get worse with moronic political ploys like this.
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Prove it!


If I get twice as much money in my pay envelop next week it will immediately improve my conditions!
 
evince said:
Your the one fighting to KEEP Americans underpaid
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Actually only "fighting" to keep some Americans underpaid. I don't hear all this bitching and gnashing of teeth when Wall Street Bankers get Billions in bonuses even as the American taxpayer has to bail them out for their fraudulent and pathetic performances and certainly none of the righties here are whining about CEO pay which has been run up by a good old boys network that has CEOs from one company on the board of directors of other companies and CEOs from some raising the pay of others so that those other CEOs will in turn vote to raise the pay of those same men who have voted to raise their pay when they requested it. That is why the visual about what the minimum wage would be if it raised at the same speed as CEO pay is all about. In addition, the CEOs get paid for productivity gains but the people putting out the greater productivity don't seem to ever be rewarded for their increased production. Why is that?
 
Truth Detector said:
The dullards argument; arbitrarily raise the minimum wage to some brain dead notion that one can live on fast food part time wages...then watch inflation eat up the new increases so we can do it again in three years.

Democrats; the dumbest people on the planet. Yes, you people really are THAT incredibly stupid.
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Speaking of BRAIN DEAD and FANTASY WORLD I would say both of those terms apply to people such as yourself who support invasive vagina probes while claiming that Republicans are for smaller, less intrusive government. You really can't get any more BRAIN DEAD or DIMWITTED than that and such a claim can only exist in your personal FANTASY WORLD.

Good Luck selling the rest of your program to the idiots who bought the Reagan years! I don't know how many of those ignorant fools are even still alive. They mostly died of starvation when they had to begin feeding themselves.
 
Truth Detector said:
Another dullards argument is this notion about the working poor. If you're poor, you probably aren't working or are some welfare queen popping out babies from numerous baby daddies or smoking crack.

Yes, you people really are THAT incredibly stupid.
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This is your brain on right wing ideology!
 
Dantès said:
Speaking of BRAIN DEAD and FANTASY WORLD I would say both of those terms apply to people such as yourself who support invasive vagina probes while claiming that Republicans are for smaller, less intrusive government. You really can't get any more BRAIN DEAD or DIMWITTED than that and such a claim can only exist in your personal FANTASY WORLD.

Good Luck selling the rest of your program to the idiots who bought the Reagan years! I don't know how many of those ignorant fools are even still alive. They mostly died of starvation when they had to begin feeding themselves.
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Large and overreaching government is associated with the federal government, and invasive vagina probes are state statutes.

And what was wrong with the Reagan years?
 
Grind said:
don't you think if people start getting paid more, people/businesses will naturally just raise all their prices? say you own an apartment complex and charge x amount per month. Oh, all my poor residents are now getting 3 bucks more per hour i.e. 120 more a week? Guess rent is going up to 500 bucks more a month cause I know they can afford it.

I like how the propaganda machine has started slowwwwwwly morphing the conversation of "minimum wage" with it now being a "living wage."

no one was ever supposed to raise 3 kids by serving coffee at starbucks. sorry no one is valued that high. It just blows my mind how fucking stupid some liberals are. Derrrrrr I had 4 kids and I should make 25 dollars on hour working at burgerking durrrrrrrrr. If you dont' pay me I can't be responsible for the crappy choices I have made in life durrrrrrr give me money I deserve your tax dollars for my poor decision making durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Sadly, the companies that are sending people to get food stamps and for other state supported welfare benefits are the same companies that don't want to pay their workers a higher wage, such as Wal*Mart, McDonalds and others. In other words, externalizing the costs of the reproduction of labor and instead of shifting their labor costs to their customers who by all rights should be paying the cost of the lreproduction of the labor that produces their goods. It's not about paying subsistence wages it is about paying the cost of the reproduction of the labor that is necessary to produce the good or service. That is what a livable wage is. It is remarkable that some of the righties who claimed to like this ideological claptrap are the same people who claim that the people who are working at these jobs are lazy and don't work. Most people who work part time jobs are working more than one and the reason they don't have full time employment isn't because they are lazy or don't want to work it is because the employers can save money on benefits and other costs associated with employment if they don't work their employees full time. So it is the employer who is cheap and tawdry not the workers. Another lie that permeates upside down world--also called Republican insanity.
 
Asa said:
Large and overreaching government is associated with the federal government, and invasive vagina probes are state statutes.
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No government over reach can occur at any level of government and the right wing would have vaginal probes at the federal level if they could get them. Republicans in Congress have also tried to get a fetal personhood amendment passed, which would be even more intrusive. In addition the same party that is behind all this shit is in fact the party that is behind the intrusive vaginal probes. So you're just being obtuse and disingenuous but ignorant Republicans, such as yourself, have long found facts superfluous.

Asa said:
And what was wrong with the Reagan years?
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Surely you don't want me to start with that here tonight do you? Reagan was certainly the worst president in the history of this country. Just because he fooled enough of the people enough of the time to actually get re-elected is not evidence of anything but the extent of the ignorance of the unexceptional masses in America. And the extent to which most of the country will not vote, and to this day does not register or vote.
 
Dantès said:
No government over reach can occur at any level of government and the right wing would have vaginal probes at the federal level if they could get them. Republicans in Congress have also tried to get a fetal personhood amendment passed, which would be even more intrusive. In addition the same party that is behind all this shit is in fact the party that is behind the intrusive vaginal probes. So you're just being obtuse and disingenuous but ignorant Republicans, such as yourself, have long found facts superfluous.



Surely you don't want me to start with that here tonight do you? Reagan was certainly the worst president in the history of this country. Just because he fooled enough of the people enough of the time to actually get re-elected is not evidence of anything but the extent of the ignorance of the unexceptional masses in America. And the extent to which most of the country will not vote, and to this day does not register or vote.
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You are confused about federalism and government overreach. I do see where you are coming from though: republicans, republicans, republicans because you live in a binary world.

But if you want to take a stab at Reagan, be my guest. I already know the left wing platitudes you are going to use.
 
Truth Detector said:
I have NO idea what you are trying to say here. The single biggest cost to any organization is labor. If your labor costs go up due to arbitrary Government "feel good" regulations in a low margin operation like Grocery Stores or Wallmart, then yes, you will have to increase your prices, or cut costs somewhere else; perhaps in your labor hours, or automate.
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Geniuses like I Hate America speak and write their own languages, in his case the language is his own personal gibberish. But when you are a genius you can speak and write in any language you choose. his writing in sentences that make no sense to the average person, shows how incredibly brilliant he is. So give the genius a break. And realize that his understanding is just superior!

Truth Detector said:
II believe that most union contracts are based on minimum wage rates; which is why unions fight to increase those minimums...it increases union wages. So yes, arbitrary Government demands to raise minimum wages will result in price inflation which will result in a new equilibrium that basically leaves individuals in the same economic category they were in before the increase.
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No! Most union contracts are either based on the prior union contract, or they are based on what other union shops of a similar size in that particular industry are paying their workers. Unions actually work to raise the minimum wage because it is too damn low not because their contracts are based on the minimum wage.

Truth Detector said:
IIn simpler terms for dullard brain dead leftists; things will remain the same and those earning minimum wage will see no increase in their living standards. In some cases, perhaps leaving them with less.
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Do you have any evidence to support this supposition? Any evidence at all? Of course not, because facts are superfluous to Republicans.
 
Asa said:
You are confused about federalism and government overreach. I do see where you are coming from though: republicans, republicans, republicans because you live in a binary world.

But if you want to take a stab at Reagan, be my guest. I already know the left wing platitudes you are going to use.
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How about starting with one of the creepier aspects of his existence: He called the woman he slept with every night "Mommy"!
 
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