Who are the "Makers" and the "Takers"?

Grind said:
it's very simple. do you put more into society than take it out. if you invented a company that has provided a living for thousands of people, you could never be a taker. takers are in the red to society.
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Should we send all the disabled to the gas chambers because they are takers?
 
Grind said:
you cannot disagree with my premise. either someone puts more in than they take out or they don't. it's all about your net. if it is your contention buffet takes out more than he has put in, then he is a taker.
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Of course I can disagree with your premise. It is absolutely stupid and ignores the real problem. Warren Buffett uses the coercive power of government to shut down competition. For example, he uses the government to spend $600 million of taxpayer money on rail. Really? He has billions. He can spend his own money. He uses the government to prevent Keystone. Why? Because that oil will have to be transported someway. If it isn't by pipeline it will be by rail. Who benefits from that? Oh yeah, Warren Buffett.

But, you be a good distracted prole over Obamaphones. That will get you all good and riled up while people like Buffett are ramming it in your ass on a daily basis.

Now let's think about your premise logically. Do you really think someone as financially smart as Warren Buffett is going to allow a situation where the government gets more than he does? Now you may think that because he pays income taxes and doesn't get an Obamaphone that it doesn't make him a taker, but his crony capitalism makes him as big a taker and even worse if you ask me than the welfare queen you get all fired up about.

Now, I am not leftist, I don't arbitrarily hate corporations. I despise crony capitalism which is really at the heart of leftism
 
Cave Johnson said:
Here is a simple breakdown. Takers are proles and those who pander to proles for power. Makers, are not.
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So says the douche tip who wants all of his GI benefits from the makers. Of course he thinks because he "served" in Iraq he is "owed". You are as much a taker as any Obamaphone welfare queen. You just employ cognitive dissonance to justify it.
 
NOVA said:
You just need a new perspective.....the true perspective ....

Makers and Takers is a book by Peter Schweizer. It was published by Doubleday in June 2008. The book's thesis is summarized in its subtitle: Why conservatives work harder, feel happier, have closer families, take fewer drugs, give more generously, value honesty more, are less materialistic and envious, whine less …etc....

Ayn Rand is one of the most widely read philosophers of the twentieth century. … Academics have often dismissed her ideas as "pop" philosophy. As a best-selling novelist, a controversial, flamboyant polemicist, and a woman in a male dominated profession, Rand remained outside the academy throughout her life.

Her works had inspired passionate responses that echo the uncompromising nature of her moral vision. In many cases, her audiences were either cultish in their devotion or savage in their attacks.
The left was infuriated by her anticommunist, pro-capitalist politics, whereas the right was disgusted by her atheism and civil libertarianism.
The left is still infuriated by her anticommunnist, pro-capitalist politics and
the right no longer gives a shit about her atheism and civil libertarianism.

Why is the still infuriated by her anti-communnist and pro-capitalist politics ?
Because the left has grown closer and closer to communism in the form of socialism
and because they still preach the corporations are the enemy, and the wealthy only deserve
our envy and hate.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Institution


The Hoover Institution is an influential voice in American public policy. The Institution has long been a place of scholarship for individuals who previously held high-profile positions in government, such as Edwin Meese, Condoleezza Rice, George Shultz, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, and Amy Zegart—all Hoover Institution fellows.


he works at neocon central
 
maybe you should just stick to stakers.

zombie and vampire movies can use an expert so refined as yourself
 
you can on TV.

you stake a vamp in the heart and you can also plunge a stake into the head of a zombie and kill it.


maybe you aint so refined as I thought.

Ok I admit it your good at nothing
 
Cave Johnson said:
Here is a simple breakdown. Takers are proles and those who pander to proles for power. Makers, are not.
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Capitalists do no work and steal from those who do work. They are useless parasites, like those who pretend to believe in their ludicrous system for the rotting scraps under their tables.
 
I Love America said:
Deshy Dearest calls herself a capitalist. Go figure
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I call myself one because I am one.


There is NOTHING on the face of this earth you can replace capitalism with.

IT HAS to be part of anything going forward.


It has to be WISELY regulated and those regulations have to be undated all the time.


Its not the lazy mans form of government its just the FUCKING best.

democracy and capitalism working hand in hand RUN by honest people who actually love their cou ntry and want it all to work.

Not the assholes we have now who call themselves republicans
 
christiefan915 said:
Some here use this a lot in their posts and I decided to research it. This article makes perfect sense.

"Since the end of the presidential election last week, I've been seeing a lot of tweets and blog posts that will say something like "takers outvoted the makers"(see here, here, and here for examples). I find the "makers and takers" narrative fascinating. I've found few other narratives that so quickly and easily divides Americans and get us to hate each other. I wanted to take a closer look at the supposed logic behind it.

"Makers and Takers" is a right-wing meme. The basic story is thus: The economy is make up of people who make stuff and people who take stuff. The takers take from the makers - usually using the power of government. The story comes from Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. But she called them producers and looters.

Unfortunately, as often as conservatives will refer to "takers" as the problem, they rarely define or identify who these nasty people we're supposed to hate are. Mostly, it seems to be based entirely on whether or not you pay federal income tax(payroll and other federal taxes don't count). That is the impression I get from Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, and other random conservatives. The conservative commentator, Mary Matalin, helps clarify a little more. Old people and veterans don't count, only people who use any anti-poverty program.

So, let's look at two different people. Let's take a single parent with two children. The parent works 2 jobs. 28 hours a week at Walmart, and another job at Home Depot working another 28 hours(give or take since schedules in retail shops tend to fluctuate). At each job this person works hard and therefore earns above minimum wage... about $8.50. Neither job pays benefits. This translates to just under $2,000 a month(before payroll taxes and state income taxes). That makes him qualified for a small amount of food stamps and for their kids to get Medicaid. In right-wing language, this 56 hours a week worker is a "taker" and a "moocher" and a "looter".

Let's take another person. Say, a former presidential candidate who made 14 million dollars last year by doing nothing. He pays about a 15% tax rate in income taxes. He didn't do anything except give his money to a banker. But since he paid income taxes, In right-wing language, that makes him a "maker" and a "producer".

In this scenario, I question the right-wing framing of maker and taker. Who is truly the maker, and who is the taker? Are the minimum wage (or just above minimum wage) workers really taking? Is that work of packing your groceries and loading the shelves that meaningless? Is the work of giving someone else your money so important that it is the equivalent of MAKING something?

I would be tempted to reverse it and call the rich guy the "takers" and the workers (who are actually WORKING) the "makers". But I find this whole narrative odious and would rather see it die than co-opted. We're all in this together and we all have something to contribute to society. If we think individuals are taking advantage of the system let's deal with that. Let's not deal with it by demonizing the most vulnerable people in our society."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/14/1161568/-Who-are-the-Makers-and-the-Takers#
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You didn't do any research you dimwit; you went out to the Internet and found a retarded article that supports your moronic views based on strawman lies and distortions.

I've never heard of Conservatives talking about "makers" and "takers". I have heard of them being referred to as producers and consumers.

Let's look at the fabricated loony tune claims of the article and it's Marxist meanderings; declaring that Romney did nothing to earn $14 million dollars. That's an outright lie. But then, the author of this moronic tome is a Marxist dimwit like you. No one earns millions by doing nothing. That's a Marxist meme not intended to inform, but rather denigrate and misinform.

Then there's the farcical claim of the single parent father working two low paying jobs at Wallmart; another convenient strawman and moronic tome. Most part time Wallmart/fast food jobs are ENTRY level positions typically manned by recent HS grads, students working their way through college and retirees. If you think that Wallmart jobs were intended to support a family, you just might be a leftist dimwit.

I'm amused how the left wants to trot out a parade of druggie/alchoholic losers who made painfully stupid choices in their lives and pretend this is the norm and demand that OTHERS need to pay for the losers and dregs who made really bad choices. My message to lefttards like you is this; if you want to support these morons, dig really deep into your OWN pockets.

But then you are a leftist dimwit who wants to transform AmeriKa into Venezuela. More reasons Americans need to politically marginalize dimwits like you.
 
Anti-Party said:
The proles constitute 85% of the population......."Pandering" vs. "knowing what America wants" is different. America is the people, not the Government and CERTAINLY not the Business. Learn that kiddo.

The day business took over Congress was the day un-brainy little puppets like you were created to scream "We need profit over humanity!". Basic ignorance. The VERY thing our founders ran from.. An elite class of religion that wants to dominate/punish all others who aren't like them.

I mean, this is extremely basic but you kids can't see it. You point at blacks and muslims the same way Hitler pointed at Jews and can't see it. Why can't you small brains realize we are all the same we just have different features? The only reason some of us act differently is because some of us were declined education and freedom and were oppressed, you understand that (R)ight?
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More incredibly stupid false prose from the anti-thinker; color me shocked.

Dimwit.
 
evince said:
I call myself one because I am one.


There is NOTHING on the face of this earth you can replace capitalism with.

IT HAS to be part of anything going forward.


It has to be WISELY regulated and those regulations have to be undated all the time.


Its not the lazy mans form of government its just the FUCKING best.

democracy and capitalism working hand in hand RUN by honest people who actually love their cou ntry and want it all to work.

Not the assholes we have now who call themselves republicans
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I don't see the posts of the Right-Wing person who says he loves America, but in the bit you quote he shows the same redneck amazement that everyone who disagrees with him (i.e. most of the educated human race) should amazingly disagree with one another about anything, as it they were normal human beings rather than the plotting ogres of his diseased imagination. It is one of the signs of the Weirdo, thinking like that: they believe the universe turns around them!
 
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