21 Ways the Canadian Health Care System is Better than Obamacare



Dear America:

Costly complexity is baked into Obamacare. No health insurance system is without problems but Canadian style single-payer full Medicare for all is simple, affordable, comprehensive and universal. In the early 1960s, President Lyndon Johnson enrolled 20 million elderly Americans into Medicare in six months. There were no websites. They did it with index cards!

Below please find 21 Ways the Canadian Health Care System is Better than Obamacare. Repeal Obamacare and replace it with the much more efficient single-payer, everybody in, nobody out, free choice of doctor and hospital.

Love, Canada

Number 21:
In Canada, everyone is covered automatically at birth – everybody in, nobody out. In the United States, under Obamacare, 31 million Americans will still be uninsured by 2023 and millions more will remain underinsured.

This is the antithesis of freedom. Just the fact that people don't have choices should make this null and void. Also, there are people in Canada without insurance


Number 20:
In Canada, the health system is designed to put people, not profits, first. In the United States, Obamacare will do little to curb insurance industry profits and will actually enhance insurance industry profits.

The profit motive has provided more choice and more innovation than any other in human kind. The Canadian system puts costs first not people


Number 19:
In Canada, coverage is not tied to a job or dependent on your income – rich and poor are in the same system, the best guaranty of quality. In the United States, under Obamacare, much still depends on your job or income. Lose your job or lose your income, and you might lose your existing health insurance or have to settle for lesser coverage.

I agree that medical insurance should not be tied to a job. We can thank the federal gobblement for the fact that it became so, but that is a different discussion for a different day


Number 18:
In Canada, health care coverage stays with you for your entire life. In the United States, under Obamacare, for tens of millions of Americans, health care coverage stays with you for as long as you can afford your share.

This is
redundant to #19

Number 17:
In Canada, you can freely choose your doctors and hospitals and keep them. There are no lists of “in-network” vendors and no extra hidden charges for going “out of network.” In the United States, under Obamacare, the in-network list of places where you can get treated is shrinking – thus restricting freedom of choice – and if you want to go out of network, you pay for it.

No, you can't "freely" choose anything in Canada. You get told where to go and when by the gobblement. That is why medical tourism is so popular


Number 16:
In Canada, the health care system is funded by income, sales and corporate taxes that, combined, are much lower than what Americans pay in premiums. In the United States, under Obamacare, for thousands of Americans, it’s pay or die – if you can’t pay, you die. That’s why many thousands will still die every year under Obamacare from lack of health insurance to get diagnosed and treated in time.

People in Canada don't get all the care they want. They get what the gobblement rations. You make it sound like if Granny wants her knee replaced, she gets it in Canada. That is a lie


Number 15:
In Canada, there are no complex hospital or doctor bills. In fact, usually you don’t even see a bill. In the United States, under Obamacare, hospital and doctor bills will still be terribly complex, making it impossible to discover the many costly overcharges.

​Hospital bills became complex because of gobblement meddling in the free market system of health care delivery. People in Canada are no more in tune with the cost of their care than Americans.

Number 14:
In Canada, costs are controlled. Canada pays 10 percent of its GDP for its health care system, covering everyone. In the United States, under Obamacare, costs continue to skyrocket. The U.S. currently pays 18 percent of its GDP and still doesn’t cover tens of millions of people.

Yes. Costs are controlled, which means care is rationed by the gobblement. As for the last statement that is a complete lie. Yes, many didn't have medical insurance, but they still received care if they needed it. Now the way medical was paid for in the US was inefficient, but again that was due to the gobblement not the free market

Number 13:
In Canada, it is unheard of for anyone to go bankrupt due to health care costs. In the United States, under Obamacare, health care driven bankruptcy will continue to plague Americans.

​If the free market were allowed to work, people wouldn't go bankrupt from their medical costs in the US either. Unfortunately the gobblement has meddled so much it is a big cluster fuck that is only going to get worse leading to two tiers of medical care. Those with money and everyone else.


Number 12:
In Canada, simplicity leads to major savings in administrative costs and overhead. In the United States, under Obamacare, complexity will lead to ratcheting up administrative costs and overhead.

Number 11:
In Canada, when you go to a doctor or hospital the first thing they ask you is: “What’s wrong?” In the United States, the first thing they ask you is: “What kind of insurance do you have?”

And the second thing they tell you in Canada is that "you are going to have to wait to get that hip replaced" or "Sorry, can't give you the latest chemotherapy treatment. That isn't approved"

Number 10:
In Canada, the government negotiates drug prices so they are more affordable. In the United States, under Obamacare, Congress made it specifically illegal for the government to negotiate drug prices for volume purchases, so they remain unaffordable.

They also don't approve the latest therapies leading to poorer outcomes. Also, anyone thinking that the gobblement actually "negotiates" doesn't understand a "negotiation". The gobblement says "We are paying this. End of story" and you pay it. The company doesn't have a choice. A negotiation implies that both parties have a give and take. The gobblement just takes. God people are stupid.


Number 9:
In Canada, the government health care funds are not profitably diverted to the top one percent. In the United States, under Obamacare, health care funds will continue to flow to the top. In 2012, CEOs at six of the largest insurance companies in the U.S. received a total of $83.3 million in pay, plus benefits.

​The money flows all the way to the gobblement which all statists love

Number 8:
In Canada, there are no necessary co-pays or deductibles. In the United States, under Obamacare, the deductibles and co-pays will continue to be unaffordable for many millions of Americans.

Again, a failure of gobblement meddling not the free market


Number 7:
In Canada, the health care system contributes to social solidarity and national pride. In the United States, Obamacare is divisive, with rich and poor in different systems and tens of millions left out or with sorely limited benefits.

Apparently the author started running out of things so started making up liberal bullshit platitudes. National pride? Over healthcare? Really? BTW there is still a two tiered medical system in Canada. Those who can afford it just travel across to the US for the things Canada won't pay for. Which is surprisingly always left out of the discussion. None of the single payor masterbators ever want to talk about what Canada DOESN'T pay for


Number 6:
In Canada, delays in health care are not due to the cost of insurance. In the United States, under Obamacare, patients without health insurance or who are underinsured will continue to delay or forgo care and put their lives at risk.

Delays are due to the gobblement rationing care to cut costs


Number 5:
In Canada, nobody dies due to lack of health insurance. In the United States, under Obamacare, many thousands will continue to die every year due to lack of health insurance

Yet having insurance doesn't prevent people from dying. There is no such thing as "health insurance". You can't insure health. Everyone is going to die, no matter what. People in the US don't die because of a lack of health insurance either. Hospitals are mandated by law to treat people regardless of insurance.


Number 4:
In Canada, an increasing majority supports their health care system, which costs half as much, per person, as in the United States. And in Canada,
everyone is covered. In the United States, a majority – many for different reasons – oppose Obamacare.C

The US has indirectly paid for Canada's healthcare system and that of the rest of the countries with a national healthcare system because these countries have lived under the defense of the US. They have had to spend very little on their own national defense because the big bad Americans always had their backs. They could spend their money on their socialist utopian dreams.


Number 3:
In Canada, the tax payments to fund the health care system are progressive – the lowest 20 percent pays 6 percent of income into the system while the highest 20 percent pays 8 percent. In the United States, under Obamacare, the poor pay a larger share of their income for health care than the affluent.

The rich pay for the poor in the US too. Ever hear of Medicaid? God people are so fucking gullible


Number 2:
In Canada, the administration of the system is simple. You get a health care card when you are born. And you swipe it when you go to a doctor or hospital. End of story. In the United States, Obamacare’s 2,500 pages plus regulations (the Canadian Medicare Bill was 13 pages) is so complex that then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said before passage “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”

More bullshit redundancy? Had a hard time getting to 20?


Number 1:
In Canada, the majority of citizens love their health care system. In the United States, the majority of citizens, physicians, and nurses prefer the Canadian type system – single-payer, free choice of doctor and hospital , everybody in, nobody out.

The majority of Americans 87% loved their insurance before Obama fucked it all up. And most in Canada don't know any different. They don't have anything to compare it to. Generations have lived with their shitty care. That is what statists count on, that people won't know any different. People want to talk about outcomes yet they never want to talk about cancer survival rates which are by far the best in the United States. That is the one thing in healthcare that can be compared on an apples to apples basis. Everything else like mortality and infant mortality have too many other confounding factors that have nothing to do with deliver of quality care.



http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/21-ways-canadas-single-payer-system-beats-obamacare

Nothing in my comments above should be construed to think that I support Obamacare. In fact if anyone thinks that Obamacare was built to "work" as in and of itself provide quality, cost effective healthcare they are fooling themselves. Obamacare was designed to collapse the entire healthcare system as it exists so that people scream for the gobblement to save them with single payer.
 
Canadians spend a lot of time waiting for rationed care. When asked why they accept this mediocrity, they typically respond that someone else probably needed care more than they did.

Canadians are brain washed sheeple who also believe they pay less for their mediocre system. But gas costs more in Canada, an export nation, than it does in America, the import nation. Canadian goods are much more expensive thanks to taxation which is why many drive down to the US to buy goods that are much cheaper.

Anyone who is dense enough to want to become a ward of the State deserves the mediocrity they get from it.
 
Canadians spend a lot of time waiting for rationed care. When asked why they accept this mediocrity, they typically respond that someone else probably needed care more than they did.

Canadians are brain washed sheeple who also believe they pay less for their mediocre system. But gas costs more in Canada, an export nation, than it does in America, the import nation. Canadian goods are much more expensive thanks to taxation which is why many drive down to the US to buy goods that are much cheaper.

Anyone who is dense enough to want to become a ward of the State deserves the mediocrity they get from it.
Freezing their asses of people Burn!
 
Piss off China too much and you will get to understand economics, they own you.

If a bank loans a significant part of their capital to an individual, and the individual defaults; who gets hurt?

America owns China, not the other way around. If America defaults, or stops buying their products based on slave wages, China would be the country hurting, not America.

The only thing that prevents this brutal Communist dictatorship from collapsing is our nations appetite for cheap goods and Communists tolerance for a very small group of capitalists to do business inside their nation. The Communust Chinese economy is built on a house of cards through currency manipulations, limited/controlled capitalism and the exploitation of their workers and their environment.

Bottom line; the Chinese economy would collapse without western capitalism, NOT the other way around.
 
hes backing cheating in our elections though huh.

Do you think he should be considered a person here because he owns some US stock?


your team thinks so
 
hes backing cheating in our elections though huh.

Do you think he should be considered a person here because he owns some US stock?


your team thinks so

Lol, what? Do you even know what you are saying? If so care to try and articulate it in English?
 


Dear America:

Costly complexity is baked into Obamacare. No health insurance system is without problems but Canadian style single-payer full Medicare for all is simple, affordable, comprehensive and universal. In the early 1960s, President Lyndon Johnson enrolled 20 million elderly Americans into Medicare in six months. There were no websites. They did it with index cards!

Below please find 21 Ways the Canadian Health Care System is Better than Obamacare. Repeal Obamacare and replace it with the much more efficient single-payer, everybody in, nobody out, free choice of doctor and hospital.

Love, Canada

Number 21:
In Canada, everyone is covered automatically at birth – everybody in, nobody out. In the United States, under Obamacare, 31 million Americans will still be uninsured by 2023 and millions more will remain underinsured.

Number 20:
In Canada, the health system is designed to put people, not profits, first. In the United States, Obamacare will do little to curb insurance industry profits and will actually enhance insurance industry profits.

Number 19:
In Canada, coverage is not tied to a job or dependent on your income – rich and poor are in the same system, the best guaranty of quality. In the United States, under Obamacare, much still depends on your job or income. Lose your job or lose your income, and you might lose your existing health insurance or have to settle for lesser coverage.

Number 18:
In Canada, health care coverage stays with you for your entire life. In the United States, under Obamacare, for tens of millions of Americans, health care coverage stays with you for as long as you can afford your share.

Number 17:
In Canada, you can freely choose your doctors and hospitals and keep them. There are no lists of “in-network” vendors and no extra hidden charges for going “out of network.” In the United States, under Obamacare, the in-network list of places where you can get treated is shrinking – thus restricting freedom of choice – and if you want to go out of network, you pay for it.

Number 16:
In Canada, the health care system is funded by income, sales and corporate taxes that, combined, are much lower than what Americans pay in premiums. In the United States, under Obamacare, for thousands of Americans, it’s pay or die – if you can’t pay, you die. That’s why many thousands will still die every year under Obamacare from lack of health insurance to get diagnosed and treated in time.

Number 15:
In Canada, there are no complex hospital or doctor bills. In fact, usually you don’t even see a bill. In the United States, under Obamacare, hospital and doctor bills will still be terribly complex, making it impossible to discover the many costly overcharges.

Number 14:
In Canada, costs are controlled. Canada pays 10 percent of its GDP for its health care system, covering everyone. In the United States, under Obamacare, costs continue to skyrocket. The U.S. currently pays 18 percent of its GDP and still doesn’t cover tens of millions of people.

Number 13:
In Canada, it is unheard of for anyone to go bankrupt due to health care costs. In the United States, under Obamacare, health care driven bankruptcy will continue to plague Americans.

Number 12:
In Canada, simplicity leads to major savings in administrative costs and overhead. In the United States, under Obamacare, complexity will lead to ratcheting up administrative costs and overhead.

Number 11:
In Canada, when you go to a doctor or hospital the first thing they ask you is: “What’s wrong?” In the United States, the first thing they ask you is: “What kind of insurance do you have?”

Number 10:
In Canada, the government negotiates drug prices so they are more affordable. In the United States, under Obamacare, Congress made it specifically illegal for the government to negotiate drug prices for volume purchases, so they remain unaffordable.

Number 9:
In Canada, the government health care funds are not profitably diverted to the top one percent. In the United States, under Obamacare, health care funds will continue to flow to the top. In 2012, CEOs at six of the largest insurance companies in the U.S. received a total of $83.3 million in pay, plus benefits.

Number 8:
In Canada, there are no necessary co-pays or deductibles. In the United States, under Obamacare, the deductibles and co-pays will continue to be unaffordable for many millions of Americans.

Number 7:
In Canada, the health care system contributes to social solidarity and national pride. In the United States, Obamacare is divisive, with rich and poor in different systems and tens of millions left out or with sorely limited benefits.

Number 6:
In Canada, delays in health care are not due to the cost of insurance. In the United States, under Obamacare, patients without health insurance or who are underinsured will continue to delay or forgo care and put their lives at risk.

Number 5:
In Canada, nobody dies due to lack of health insurance. In the United States, under Obamacare, many thousands will continue to die every year due to lack of health insurance.

Number 4:
In Canada, an increasing majority supports their health care system, which costs half as much, per person, as in the United States. And in Canada,
everyone is covered. In the United States, a majority – many for different reasons – oppose Obamacare.

Number 3:
In Canada, the tax payments to fund the health care system are progressive – the lowest 20 percent pays 6 percent of income into the system while the highest 20 percent pays 8 percent. In the United States, under Obamacare, the poor pay a larger share of their income for health care than the affluent.

Number 2:
In Canada, the administration of the system is simple. You get a health care card when you are born. And you swipe it when you go to a doctor or hospital. End of story. In the United States, Obamacare’s 2,500 pages plus regulations (the Canadian Medicare Bill was 13 pages) is so complex that then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said before passage “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”

Number 1:
In Canada, the majority of citizens love their health care system. In the United States, the majority of citizens, physicians, and nurses prefer the Canadian type system – single-payer, free choice of doctor and hospital , everybody in, nobody out.


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/21-ways-canadas-single-payer-system-beats-obamacare

I agree with you, not only is Canada's healthcare system better, but also most of Europe's too! Obama is not a very good negotiator, he did not even fight the single payer option, Obamacare is flawed, but it's better than what we had!


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Holy shit....SigmanKenny wrote something that looks like it was spawned in his own head.....see, theres are first time for everything.
 
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