Obama's criticism is not without irony

cawacko said:
You clearly don't understand #3. Did you follow Obama as a candidate during 2007 and 2008? Did you not see the excitement he generated with his change talk? He even won over some Republicans with his rhetoric. If you can't see the disappointment in those today who 'fell in love with him' in '08 then I don't know what to tell you.
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I know what you're saying but what I was saying was that his election, his speeches and him winning over people on both sides does not mean that his race still was not a factor for some. I was among those whom he disappointed but your comment in #3 implied that his election meant that race was not a factor for some.
 
NOVA said:
Point #1
It seems like its you that is overly concerned with race while you skim over the policy. Many ethnic groups
have had to fight like hell to be treated in a civil manner.....Its the left that constantly bring race into
every debate, no matter what policy is being questioned.

Point #2
The character assassination of Bush was just about total. No other President in recent history had to
endure the ridicule he did....and looking back, he took it like a man, with a certain amount of grace.
To this day he won't he won't insult Obama on anything he does...hes not vindictive or even
angry about the shit he had to put up with.
Everyone admires Obama's way with words and his mostly good intentions, left and right. He is bi-racial,
whats the problem. Yeah, think of Herman Cain and the way he was humiliated by the left (racists?)
Are you of the mind that blacks 'can't possibly be racists ?

Point #3
Obama said, "If you like your health plan, you can keep it, PERIOD"....a lie
Clinton said " I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...a lie
Did Lincoln "end slavery" ?...The Civil War ended slavery, whether you like to admit it or not.
Did Nixon 'steal something' ?
Bush said "mission accomplished".....speaking to a ships crew as they returned from their mission
and absolutely appropriate thing to say to them, that was spun as a lie by the left.

And NO, all U.S presidents are not slaves to lobbyist because they have to satisfy those that donated huge to their campaign while feeding the American people scraps....you've be listening to too many left wing
bloggers.
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Regarding bold #1

The United States of America has not completely gotten over race. It is still apart of the fabric of our society and it will continue to do so until we get to a point where we become more concern about the welfare of our species as opposed to those with different color skin pigmentation. The "left" as you say, only brings up racism when it is espoused by conservative fellows who make racialist remarks that are unwarranted.

Regarding bold #2

Bush put us in two wars...TWO! We spent trillions of dollars on war and thousands of dead troops and for what? Yeah I remember 9/11. I remember during the baseball game Bush announced going to War. I remembered the many fans drunken and sober alike cheered while in my mind cringed knowing that this is not like the Gulf war. Now, those same fans who cheered about Bush announcing for war are the same ones who chastised him for our dead troops. Yeah Bush may have as you say, handled his criticism with grace but what can you expect when an idiot doesn't know when he is insulted?

You asked: "Everyone knows he is bi-racial what is the problem?"

“If I’m lucky enough to have children, I won’t tell them that Barack Obama was America’s first black president.”[
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"Thus began columnist Clinton Yates’ piece, Barack Obama: Let’s not forget that he’s America’s first bi-racial president. Published on The Washington Post website two days after the 2012 election, Yates’ piece explores the notion that singling out President Obama’s African heritage alone has resulted in an incomplete narrative of his identity."

See Reference:http://thegrio.com/2012/11/19/bi-ra...bamas-bi-racial-heritage/#s:president-obama-4

Despite Obama owning his "black side" as many blacks of bi-racial descent do, people will always focus on his white side and black side despite what Obama considers himself. You asked "everyone is knows Obama is bi-racial so what is the problem?" See the following:

Top Obama adviser says Obama is "biracial," so his election by white America won't prove racism over

"Ogletree's point is that because of pervasive racism which he expects will last decades, white America won't vote for blacks and other minority candidates. The expected heavy white vote for Obama doesn't disprove this thesis, Ogletree says, because Obama's not black; he's "biracial." So it looks like, according to Ogletree (and Obama?) that white America will have to do lots more for blacks after electing Obama to atone for past sins; it will get little if any credit for electing Obama."

See Reference:http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2117822/posts

The theory goes, since Obama has a Caucasian background his "Caucasian side" appeals to Caucasians because he is not "fully black." Now they aren't saying that played a huge role in white voters voting for Obama, they are simply denoting a possible subconscious aspect in white voters voting for Obama.

Then you asked:

"Are you of the mind that blacks can't be racist?"

No.

But, I believe contemporary black racism is a byproduct of social and systemic racism which was brought upon due to centuries upon centuries of slavery then soon after, decades and decades of civil rights injustices. Psychologically, so-called black racism and the defensiveness that black portray regarding behavioral aspects that may be deem racist towards them is nothing more than a defensive mechanism. For example if you aggravate an individual long enough they will become defensive and lash out. Does this make it right? No. But if you look at it historically black people were an oppressed people since they arrived on the shores of Virginia. Thereafter the abolishing of slavery blacks had to endure decades of racial segregation. We living in contemporary society cannot imagine going into a movie theater and observe signs that read:

"Asian restrooms here, white restrooms here, Hispanic restrooms here, white restrooms here...."

Do you not believe that segregation and hatred can have a long and lasting effect on the psychological makeup of an former oppressed people and that psyche of once being oppressed equipped with the contemporary forms of racial oppression can have an effect on future generations? Is black racism right? Hell no. Racism is racism and it's an ignorant form of hatred. But I am of the school of thought that believes black racism is psychologically ingrained, as an irrational form of a defense mechanism as black racism historically is reactionary as opposed to progressive.

If you don't believe me ask yourself if in the creation of the United States were blacks at any point in time were in a position of power?

Regarding Point #3

Just commenting on the bold....Um, I'm no history buff but the civil war didn't happen because of slavery nor was it meant to end slavery.
 
Sun Devil said:
I know what you're saying but what I was saying was that his election, his speeches and him winning over people on both sides does not mean that his race still was not a factor for some. I was among those whom he disappointed but your comment in #3 implied that his election meant that race was not a factor for some.
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Sure race was a factor for some; both for and against.
 
Obama was duly elected by avast majority of the people in two elections.

YOUR guys did not get that honor even though they cheated.



You lie about him all day long.

the media is corporate and helps you lie.


you don't get to win the power because of a fucking poll.

you win in an election

unless of course you cheat to win.

then you just STOLE from the people
 
evince said:
Obama was duly elected by avast majority of the people in two elections.

YOUR guys did not get that honor even though they cheated.



You lie about him all day long.

the media is corporate and helps you lie.


you don't get to win the power because of a fucking poll.

you win in an election

unless of course you cheat to win.

then you just STOLE from the people
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Again, what are you talking about? Who are or what are you posting this in response to?
 
cawacko said:
I'm not trying to dismiss your points but my feelings are as follows:

1) All presidents get criticized, a lot. It comes with the territory. And partisans tend to complaint a lot.

2) yes there is racism in America but Obama was elected and re-elected President so if racism was that overwhelming an issue neither of those events would have occurred.

3) He was unbelievable as a candidate. People had VERY high hopes for him. When that happens and you don't or can't deliver the disappointment is going to be greater. That's what we are seeing now.
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President Obama's election proves that a majority of the voting public is not racist against black people. It does not prove that racism is not an overwhelming issue. The hyperpartisin hatred of President Obama is not new, I have a pamphlet attacking Kennedy the same way they attack Obama, was it because he was Catholic?

The topic and nature of many of the attacks do clearly have racist overtones. The attacks about him having been born in Africa and Rev. Huckabee's comments about him not understanding "average" Americans because he was from the middle east are two examples.
 
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cawacko said:
So how did he win in places like Boston and other parts of the Northeast with extreme racial issues? Oh yeah, sort of forgot about that didn't you troll girl? Nice fail on your analogy though.
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He did not win in places like Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee. Places that are historically known for racism. It is a popular allegation for people to claim that Boston is more racist than Alabama, but having lived in both places, I can tell you Alabama is MUCH more racist than Boston. That's not to say Boston has plenty of racial tension, but the dislike of black people by the society types is expected and accepted in Alabama and its not in Boston.
 
Now face that some of those 5 were put in office by people who CHEATED in elections to gain office
 
Jarod said:
He did not win in places like Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee. Places that are historically known for racism. It is a popular allegation for people to claim that Boston is more racist than Alabama, but having lived in both places, I can tell you Alabama is MUCH more racist than Boston. That's not to say Boston has plenty of racial tension, but the dislike of black people by the society types is expected and accepted in Alabama and its not in Boston.
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The difference is in places like Alabama they are more open about it. I've lived in Boston as well and read a lot about the city which is why I speak on it and they harbor the same feelings there they just aren't as open about it. Which then boils down to if someone doesn't like you would you rather they be open about it or pretend to like you while secretly hating you.
 
evince said:
you need to look that word up.

Your the one who wants people to suffer for your "ideals"
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an idea for you Desh


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