Obama's criticism is not without irony

[Sun Devil]

Although the root cause of criticisms may not have racist projections I firmly believe Obama's presidency once his terms are over, to have temultuous reflections on how the nation viewed its first president of color. As an American who has lived through the Reagan presidency I can firmly attest at least to my knowledge of living on this earth that no president in the United States history has ever endured such criticism regarding his place of origin.

No president in the history of this country whose professed Christian faith has ever been challenged of the legitimacy of their faith based on their name or the faith of their father. In my opinion this nation hasn't evolved much when it comes to rational mindedness of political leaders. Sure leaders lie, hell political leaders are like burger commercials, they want to sell you a product that looks good but it may (in reality) taste horrible.

When it comes to promises how is Obama different than any president before him? I believe a lot of criticisms of Obama are warranted but how they're expressed leads me to believe that a large portion of the American population is pretty ignorant. I mean take 9/11 for instance. Most Americans were (After September 11th) attacking Sikhs because they wore turbans and thought Sikhs (who hail from India) were arab Muslims. Most Americans didn't know and still don't know the differences between Sikhism and Islam.

If that is the case how can every single American with a criticism of Obama can say definitely they every unanimous criticism comes from a politically sound population? Like the lady at John McCain's Town Hall gathering who called Obama an "arab." Personally I think those that criticized Obama disliked his policies because of (a) party affiliation and (b) his ethnicity and because of that I personally don't think any person against Obama have an objective critique of the president. I mean look at the threads here, as most are mocking Obama as opposed to having a dialetical and philosophical synthesis as to why they dislike Obama without having to dislike him because of his color.

 

[cawacko]

I'm not trying to dismiss your points but my feelings are as follows:

1) All presidents get criticized, a lot. It comes with the territory. And partisans tend to complaint a lot.

2) yes there is racism in America but Obama was elected and re-elected President so if racism was that overwhelming an issue neither of those events would have occurred.

3) He was unbelievable as a candidate. People had VERY high hopes for him. When that happens and you don't or can't deliver the disappointment is going to be greater. That's what we are seeing now.

 

[Dantès]

I'm not trying to dismiss your points but my feelings are as follows:

2) yes there is racism in America but Obama was elected and re-elected President so if racism was that overwhelming an issue neither of those events would have occurred.

That's like saying the Harlem Globetrotters wouldn't have been popular in the 50s and 60s if "racism was that overwhelming an issue" in America at that time! Just not true. People vote for President for a lot of reasons, but one only has to look at where Obama's votes came from; he certainly didn't win in any states in the South or any other places that we generally associate with extreme or blatant racism. So to claim that his two victories signal the end of the racial divide in this country is just engaging in an unsubstantiated optimism that even your own numerous posts about the prevalence of gangbangers belie. In addition, his election has brought out the most blatant racist responses from the right, showing that racism is actually alive and well. We have abolished slavery but have we even begun to deal with institutional and structural racism in this country--not hardly!

 

[evince]

pretending this country is not racist after hearing them talk about the problems in KATRINA you would have to be an idiot to think there is not a racism problem in this country.

They hate Obama because hes black.

It drives them so fucking crazy they vote against their own written bills.

the republican party is driven by racism now.


they have really fucked up a once proud party

 

[The Dude]

I'm not trying to dismiss your points but my feelings are as follows:

1) All presidents get criticized, a lot. It comes with the territory. And partisans tend to complaint a lot.

2) yes there is racism in America but Obama was elected and re-elected President so if racism was that overwhelming an issue neither of those events would have occurred.

3) He was unbelievable as a candidate. People had VERY high hopes for him. When that happens and you don't or can't deliver the disappointment is going to be greater. That's what we are seeing now.

Wealthy people like him even more, working class not so much.

 

[evince]

yeah he shouldn't have allowed those republican to filibuster him on EVERYTHING

 

[evince]

History will show that the republican party went racially insane when he was elected.

every passing year means you cant cheat enough to win anymore.

 

[cawacko]

That's like saying the Harlem Globetrotters wouldn't have been popular in the 50s and 60s if "racism was that overwhelming an issue" in America at that time! Just not true. People vote for President for a lot of reasons, but one only has to look at where Obama's votes came from; he certainly didn't win in any states in the South or any other places that we generally associate with extreme or blatant racism. So to claim that his two victories signal the end of the racial divide in this country is just engaging in an unsubstantiated optimism that even your own numerous posts about the prevalence of gangbangers belie. In addition, his election has brought out the most blatant racist responses from the right, showing that racism is actually alive and well. We have abolished slavery but have we even begun to deal with institutional and structural racism in this country--not hardly!

So how did he win in places like Boston and other parts of the Northeast with extreme racial issues? Oh yeah, sort of forgot about that didn't you troll girl? Nice fail on your analogy though.

 

[Sun Devil]

I'm not trying to dismiss your points but my feelings are as follows:

1) All presidents get criticized, a lot. It comes with the territory. And partisans tend to complaint a lot.

2) yes there is racism in America but Obama was elected and re-elected President so if racism was that overwhelming an issue neither of those events would have occurred.

3) He was unbelievable as a candidate. People had VERY high hopes for him. When that happens and you don't or can't deliver the disappointment is going to be greater. That's what we are seeing now.

Before I get to the bold allow me to go down the line....

Point #1 is well taken. Yes, all presidents get criticized and scrutinized because as you say, it comes with the territory. However one cannot help but take into account that in the entire history of the United States where people of color had to continuously fight for civil rights and now the U.S has its first black leader consider the possibility that a lot of those criticisms are amplified due to Obama being unlike any U.S political candidate in history.

Point #2 Obama's election in 2008 was the zenith of America being tired of the Bush administration. Bush was always seen as a bad leader both domestic and abroad and the people wanted a candidate that would spark interest in the hearts and minds of the American people. Obama being young himself spurred political interest to college kids across the U.S including myself. He was not only a prolific speaker, he was also intelligent and eloquent person whose speeches galvanized the people. But it seems people often make it a point to say "America is not racist because we have a black leader." Funny, since a lot of Americans (mostly white tend to look at Obama as biracial while discounting Obama's own identification). There were also criticisms that if Obama was NOT bi-racial then he would not have won. There were also criticisms that Obama's election was so because of his cultural background. His white mother appeals to whites and his black father appeals to blacks.

Theoretically speaking if Obama having the same name, had dark skin (think of Herman Cain) having the same background with a mother from America, and a black father from let's say Sudan and having an Islamic background I would think Obama theoretically would have less of a chance to win the presidency. Regardless how you would think of it, American society is still color conscious. I have never seen a U.S president go through so much scrutiny over his place of origin. Then upon his second term because he won and because of high black voter turnout then all of a sudden Obama's constituents are racist and therefore Obama was only re-elected because BLACK people voted for him. Forget whites, forget hispanics or asians, the focus was on BLACK people. So no, Obama's election and re-election demonstrates nothing about the evolution of American society because as I see it American society is still color conscious and it has demonstrated in Obama's presidency. This is what Oprah meant when she was interviewed.

3) What makes Obama different than any U.S president? Didn't Bush say "mission accomplished?" Didn't Clinton say "I didn not have sexual relations with that woman?" Didn't Richard Nixon say "I'm not a crook?" Didn't Lincoln so-called "freed the slaves?" All U.S presidents in one time or another made promises and in reality they have done quite the opposite. All U.S presidents are slaves to lobbyist because they have to satisfy those that donated huge to their campaign while feeding the American people scraps. What Obama did is not surprising nor is it something that makes him stand out in history. In actuality I think Lincoln was the worse liar of all U.S presidents. The man was credited in freeing slaves yet Lincoln wasn't even an abolitionist, and on September 18th, 1858 Lincoln said:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races"-Lincoln

The Emancipation Proclamation didn't even free all slaves and in actuality, the Emancipation was a military policy, yet Lincoln was credited as "freeing slaves" to me, there is nothing Obama could do that could top Lincoln's contradictory presidency.

 

[cawacko]

Before I get to the bold allow me to go down the line....

Point #1 is well taken. Yes, all presidents get criticized and scrutinized because as you say, it comes with the territory. However one cannot help but take into account that in the entire history of the United States where people of color had to continuously fight for civil rights and now the U.S has its first black leader consider the possibility that a lot of those criticisms are amplified due to Obama being unlike any U.S political candidate in history.

Point #2 Obama's election in 2008 was the zenith of America being tired of the Bush administration. Bush was always seen as a bad leader both domestic and abroad and the people wanted a candidate that would spark interest in the hearts and minds of the American people. Obama being young himself spurred political interest to college kids across the U.S including myself. He was not only a prolific speaker, he was also intelligent and eloquent person whose speeches galvanized the people. But it seems people often make it a point to say "America is not racist because we have a black leader." Funny, since a lot of Americans (mostly white tend to look at Obama as biracial while discounting Obama's own identification). There were also criticisms that if Obama was NOT bi-racial then he would not have won. There were also criticisms that Obama's election was so because of his cultural background. His white mother appeals to whites and his black father appeals to blacks.

Theoretically speaking if Obama having the same name, had dark skin (think of Herman Cain) having the same background with a mother from America, and a black father from let's say Sudan and having an Islamic background I would think Obama theoretically would have less of a chance to win the presidency. Regardless how you would think of it, American society is still color conscious. I have never seen a U.S president go through so much scrutiny over his place of origin. Then upon his second term because he won and because of high black voter turnout then all of a sudden Obama's constituents are racist and therefore Obama was only re-elected because BLACK people voted for him. Forget whites, forget hispanics or asians, the focus was on BLACK people. So no, Obama's election and re-election demonstrates nothing about the evolution of American society because as I see it American society is still color conscious and it has demonstrated in Obama's presidency. This is what Oprah meant when she was interviewed.

3) What makes Obama different than any U.S president? Didn't Bush say "mission accomplished?" Didn't Clinton say "I didn not have sexual relations with that woman?" Didn't Richard Nixon say "I'm not a crook?" Didn't Lincoln so-called "freed the slaves?" All U.S presidents in one time or another made promises and in reality they have done quite the opposite. All U.S presidents are slaves to lobbyist because they have to satisfy those that donated huge to their campaign while feeding the American people scraps. What Obama did is not surprising nor is it something that makes him stand out in history. In actuality I think Lincoln was the worse liar of all U.S presidents. The man was credited in freeing slaves yet Lincoln wasn't even an abolitionist, and on September 18th, 1858 Lincoln said:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races"-Lincoln

The Emancipation Proclamation didn't even free all slaves and in actuality, the Emancipation was a military policy, yet Lincoln was credited as "freeing slaves" to me, there is nothing Obama could do that could top Lincoln's contradictory presidency.

You clearly don't understand #3. Did you follow Obama as a candidate during 2007 and 2008? Did you not see the excitement he generated with his change talk? He even won over some Republicans with his rhetoric. If you can't see the disappointment in those today who 'fell in love with him' in '08 then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Dantès]

So how did he win in places like Boston and other parts of the Northeast with extreme racial issues? Oh yeah, sort of forgot about that didn't you troll girl? Nice fail on your analogy though.

Boston is a left leaning town: they just elected a mayor who was the former head of a labor union. They have one of the most liberal Senators in Warren too. They voted for Obama because they wouldn't vote for anyone from the right! Perhaps political ideology trumped racial ideology. I don't live in Boston so I don't know. In addition, I think Boston has moved on a little since the days when busing ripped it apart. Does that mean that there is no racism in Boston probably not. But it wasn't enough to get them to vote for McCain or Romney! Sorry they disappointed you. I also haven't heard of any water melon patch postcards coming out of Boston. Unlike central and southern California where a Republican official had to resign for such antics, and the racist right wing is alive and well especially in places like Orange County. Yet, a majority in California voted for Obama too.

 

[NOVA]

Although the root cause of criticisms may not have racist projections I firmly believe Obama's presidency once his terms are over, to have temultuous reflections on how the nation viewed its first president of color. As an American who has lived through the Reagan presidency I can firmly attest at least to my knowledge of living on this earth that no president in the United States history has ever endured such criticism regarding his place of origin.

Maybe its just your perspective. I lived through the Ike Eisenhower and JFK...seems to me, Obama is the first president to live under a cloak of secrecy like no other before him.
from the silliness of the birth certificate, odd Soc. Sec. number, school records, financial aid, transcripts...even school friends seem to have disappeared....so its
the secrecy that drives some people to "manufacture" the facts they aren't allowed to see...its not sinister, its human nature.

No president in the history of this country whose professed Christian faith has ever been challenged of the legitimacy of their faith based on their name or the faith of their father. In my opinion this nation hasn't evolved much when it comes to rational mindedness of political leaders. Sure leaders lie, hell political leaders are like burger commercials, they want to sell you a product that looks good but it may (in reality) taste horrible.

The faith of his father had nothing to do Obamas faith being questioned.....it started from Rev. Wright and his outlandish rants about the country and whites.
Some presidents are masters in parsing the language to hid the truth without actually lying. Some butcher the language to tell the truth that turns out to
be ambidious enough to be spun into what could be taken as a lie. And then you have Clinton that says it all depends on what the meaning of 'is' is...then
commits perjury.

When it comes to promises how is Obama different than any president before him? I believe a lot of criticisms of Obama are warranted but how they're expressed leads me to believe that a large portion of the American population is pretty ignorant. I mean take 9/11 for instance. Most Americans were (After September 11th) attacking Sikhs because they wore turbans and thought Sikhs (who hail from India) were arab Muslims. Most Americans didn't know and still don't know the differences between Sikhism and Islam.

Most, if not all presidents get burned when they find out they can't keep campaign promises....Sitting in the Oval Office changes everything. Some become downright
hypocritical after election......
And, you're right about a good of the Amer. population being ignorant, no argument there...and everyone jumps to conclusions that aren't valid at one time or another.

If that is the case how can every single American with a criticism of Obama can say definitely they every unanimous criticism comes from a politically sound population? Like the lady at John McCain's Town Hall gathering who called Obama an "arab." Personally I think those that criticized Obama disliked his policies because of (a) party affiliation and (b) his ethnicity and because of that I personally don't think any person against Obama have an objective critique of the president. I mean look at the threads here, as most are mocking Obama as opposed to having a dialetical and philosophical synthesis as to why they dislike Obama without having to dislike him because of his color.


People on both sides of the aisle have said stupid things, you know that as well as the rest of us. And many people DO dislike his policies...they disliked Obamacare why back
when it would have been called Hillarycare.....I'm sure there are a certain few that dislike him because of this color....there were a certain few that hated JFK because of his
religion....but for the vast majority, policy is what makes the big difference.....and hypocrisy matters a lot too..

Good post SD....

 

[cawacko]

Boston is a left leaning town: they just elected a mayor who was the former head of a labor union. They have one of the most liberal Senators in Warren too. They voted for Obama because they wouldn't vote for anyone from the right! Perhaps political ideology trumped racial ideology. I don't live in Boston so I don't know. In addition, I think Boston has moved on a little since the days when busing ripped it apart. Does that mean that there is no racism in Boston probably not. But it wasn't enough to get them to vote for McCain or Romney! Sorry they disappointed you. I also haven't heard of any water melon patch postcards coming out of Boston. Unlike central and southern California where a Republican official had to resign for such antics, and the racist right wing is alive and well especially in places like Orange County. Yet, a majority in California voted for Obama too.

LOL, dumb ass troll. You really know nothing about Boston do you. Go do some research and get your allowance from your folks like Dude said.

 

[christiefan915]

Good post SD....

Here's the part I disagree with most... "seems to me, Obama is the first president to live under a cloak of secrecy like no other before him.
from the silliness of the birth certificate, odd Soc. Sec. number, school records, financial aid, transcripts...even school friends seem to have disappeared....so its the secrecy that drives some people to "manufacture" the facts they aren't allowed to see...its not sinister, its human nature. "

The man wrote one book about his life and experiences (Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance) before he was on the national radar screen. He wasn't even in politics yet. What's your spin on this, that he wrote a book full of lies on the off-chance that he'd run for president 12 years in the future? That crap about the birth certificate, social security #, schooling etc. has been explained and/or debunked ad nauseum and you guys still think there's something hidden. Tell me, how does a guy just sneak into the presidency without having his life turned inside out, especially by the opposition? It's stuff like this that makes cons look so bad.

The man won election twice. Just deal with it already, you have plenty of time in the next two years to find a repub candidate who'll appeal to more than the fringe elements of your party. That is, if you guys actually learned anything from the repub debacle of 2012.

 

[NOVA]

Before I get to the bold allow me to go down the line....

Point #1 is well taken. Yes, all presidents get criticized and scrutinized because as you say, it comes with the territory. However one cannot help but take into account that in the entire history of the United States where people of color had to continuously fight for civil rights and now the U.S has its first black leader consider the possibility that a lot of those criticisms are amplified due to Obama being unlike any U.S political candidate in history.

Point #2 Obama's election in 2008 was the zenith of America being tired of the Bush administration. Bush was always seen as a bad leader both domestic and abroad and the people wanted a candidate that would spark interest in the hearts and minds of the American people. Obama being young himself spurred political interest to college kids across the U.S including myself. He was not only a prolific speaker, he was also intelligent and eloquent person whose speeches galvanized the people. But it seems people often make it a point to say "America is not racist because we have a black leader." Funny, since a lot of Americans (mostly white tend to look at Obama as biracial while discounting Obama's own identification). There were also criticisms that if Obama was NOT bi-racial then he would not have won. There were also criticisms that Obama's election was so because of his cultural background. His white mother appeals to whites and his black father appeals to blacks.

Theoretically speaking if Obama having the same name, had dark skin (think of Herman Cain) having the same background with a mother from America, and a black father from let's say Sudan and having an Islamic background I would think Obama theoretically would have less of a chance to win the presidency. Regardless how you would think of it, American society is still color conscious. I have never seen a U.S president go through so much scrutiny over his place of origin. Then upon his second term because he won and because of high black voter turnout then all of a sudden Obama's constituents are racist and therefore Obama was only re-elected because BLACK people voted for him. Forget whites, forget hispanics or asians, the focus was on BLACK people. So no, Obama's election and re-election demonstrates nothing about the evolution of American society because as I see it American society is still color conscious and it has demonstrated in Obama's presidency. This is what Oprah meant when she was interviewed.

3) What makes Obama different than any U.S president? Didn't Bush say "mission accomplished?" Didn't Clinton say "I didn not have sexual relations with that woman?" Didn't Richard Nixon say "I'm not a crook?" Didn't Lincoln so-called "freed the slaves?" All U.S presidents in one time or another made promises and in reality they have done quite the opposite. All U.S presidents are slaves to lobbyist because they have to satisfy those that donated huge to their campaign while feeding the American people scraps. What Obama did is not surprising nor is it something that makes him stand out in history. In actuality I think Lincoln was the worse liar of all U.S presidents. The man was credited in freeing slaves yet Lincoln wasn't even an abolitionist, and on September 18th, 1858 Lincoln said:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races"-Lincoln

The Emancipation Proclamation didn't even free all slaves and in actuality, the Emancipation was a military policy, yet Lincoln was credited as "freeing slaves" to me, there is nothing Obama could do that could top Lincoln's contradictory presidency.

Point #1
It seems like its you that is overly concerned with race while you skim over the policy. Many ethnic groups
have had to fight like hell to be treated in a civil manner.....Its the left that constantly bring race into
every debate, no matter what policy is being questioned.

Point #2
The character assassination of Bush was just about total. No other President in recent history had to
endure the ridicule he did....and looking back, he took it like a man, with a certain amount of grace.
To this day he won't he won't insult Obama on anything he does...hes not vindictive or even
angry about the shit he had to put up with.
Everyone admires Obama's way with words and his mostly good intentions, left and right. He is bi-racial,
whats the problem. Yeah, think of Herman Cain and the way he was humiliated by the left (racists?)
Are you of the mind that blacks 'can't possibly be racists ?

Point #3
Obama said, "If you like your health plan, you can keep it, PERIOD"....a lie
Clinton said " I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...a lie
Did Lincoln "end slavery" ?...The Civil War ended slavery, whether you like to admit it or not.
Did Nixon 'steal something' ?
Bush said "mission accomplished".....speaking to a ships crew as they returned from their mission
and absolutely appropriate thing to say to them, that was spun as a lie by the left.

And NO, all U.S presidents are not slaves to lobbyist because they have to satisfy those that donated huge to their campaign while feeding the American people scraps....you've be listening to too many left wing
bloggers.

 

[NOVA]

Here's the part I disagree with most... "seems to me, Obama is the first president to live under a cloak of secrecy like no other before him.
from the silliness of the birth certificate, odd Soc. Sec. number, school records, financial aid, transcripts...even school friends seem to have disappeared....so its the secrecy that drives some people to "manufacture" the facts they aren't allowed to see...its not sinister, its human nature. "

The man wrote one book about his life and experiences (Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance) before he was on the national radar screen. He wasn't even in politics yet. What's your spin on this, that he wrote a book full of lies on the off-chance that he'd run for president 12 years in the future? That crap about the birth certificate, social security #, schooling etc. has been explained and/or debunked ad nauseum and you guys still think there's something hidden. Tell me, how does a guy just sneak into the presidency without having his life turned inside out, especially by the opposition? It's stuff like this that makes cons look so bad.

The man won election twice. Just deal with it already, you have plenty of time in the next two years to find a repub candidate who'll appeal to more than the fringe elements of your party. That is, if you guys actually learned anything from the repub debacle of 2012.

Didn't read 'em....what did you find out ?

There are the parts of Obama's story we never hear about at all: the stories from his childhood and adolescence. We know virtually nothing about this time in President Obama's life.
During college, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a college friend....Do you know anything about that ?
He studied at Occidental College for two years.....do you have a details ?
There was actually a few there that do remember him.

He went to Columbia, ...we've been told that some 400 of his classmates were contacted and found no one who remembered him....but he certainly was there.
Girlfriends ? Clubs ? Grades ?
He is a very smart guy....did he get scholarships ? Financial aid ? Did Grandma pay ?
And he a very interesting guy, thus the curiosity...

We hear he was a good soccer player, and loved basketball....very studious in his studies.
Even wrote an article on "Breaking the War Mentality" for the Sundial magazine.
This isn't to say that other politicians don't hide things, so many do....but its rare that the reporters don't
uncover something about them.....

how does a guy just sneak into the presidency without having his life turned inside out, especially by the opposition?

Thats exactly what I'd like to know.....Hillary had more questions during the primary than the Republicans running against him did.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

I'm not trying to dismiss your points but my feelings are as follows:

1) All presidents get criticized, a lot. It comes with the territory. And partisans tend to complaint a lot.

2) yes there is racism in America but Obama was elected and re-elected President so if racism was that overwhelming an issue neither of those events would have occurred.

3) He was unbelievable as a candidate. People had VERY high hopes for him. When that happens and you don't or can't deliver the disappointment is going to be greater. That's what we are seeing now.

4) When you and your supporting party claim him to be the antithesis of the last president (Bush) and he is revealed to be Bush the 3rd, he deserves every ounce of criticism that can possibly be heaped on him.

5)When you say you have the power to execute American citizens without trial (and then do just that), you're a traitor to your oath of office and should be impeached and jailed.

 

[Dantès]

LOL, dumb ass troll. You really know nothing about Boston do you. Go do some research and get your allowance from your folks like Dude said.

If you have something to say you should be able to articulate it. You brag about a college education, let's see some evidence of it. The Dude also suggested you were in college on a football scholarship, is that so? Did your team lose today? Is that what has you so upset? Why don't you tell me the racist history of Boston? Why don't you tell me what Boston is like today and was like in 2008 and 2012 when Obama carried the state. Let's see what you have. If you have anything at all! So far it doesn't look like you do. I think it would at least be incumbent on you to tell me exactly what is wrong with what I said about Boston today, if you can, rather than this rather meaningless and blanket dismissal! Maybe I should ask whether you just went to college or did you graduate?

 

[christiefan915]

Didn't read 'em....what did you find out ?

There are the parts of Obama's story we never hear about at all: the stories from his childhood and adolescence. We know virtually nothing about this time in President Obama's life.
During college, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a college friend....Do you know anything about that ?
He studied at Occidental College for two years.....do you have a details ?
There was actually a few there that do remember him.

He went to Columbia, ...we've been told that some 400 of his classmates were contacted and found no one who remembered him....but he certainly was there.
Girlfriends ? Clubs ? Grades ?
He is a very smart guy....did he get scholarships ? Financial aid ? Did Grandma pay ?
And he a very interesting guy, thus the curiosity...

We hear he was a good soccer player, and loved basketball....very studious in his studies.
Even wrote an article on "Breaking the War Mentality" for the Sundial magazine.
This isn't to say that other politicians don't hide things, so many do....but its rare that the reporters don't
uncover something about them.....

Thats exactly what I'd like to know.....Hillary had more questions during the primary than the Republicans running against him did.

Here's a link to some info and I'll look up more later. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/25/barack-obama-the-college-years

But I'm curious...what does the trip to Pakistan have to do with anything? It wasn't forbidden to travel there.

"Americans traveled there without incident, as shown by a travel piece that appeared in the New York Times in 1981, dated June 14. Barbara Crossette, an assistant news editor of the Times, told her mostly American readers they could travel to Lahore, Pakistan, by air, rail or road, adding: "Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports." Her article prompted a letter to the Times from the U.S. consul general in Lahore saying he would "welcome an influx of Americans" to Lahore. He cautioned only that in addition to getting a visa for Pakistan, American visitors also should be careful to line up an Indian visa for the return trip if they planned to travel overland. The letter is dated Aug. 23, 1981.

Also, a travel advisory from the State Department dated Aug. 17, 1981 notes that Americans traveling to Pakistan require a 30-day visa, and that any staying longer must check in with Pakistan’s Foreigner Registration Office. A digital copy of the advisory is archived at the Electronic Research Collection, a partnership between the State Department and the Federal Depository Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago."

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/more-birther-nonsense-obamas-1981-pakistan-trip/

 

[Dantès]

Didn't read 'em....what did you find out ?

There are the parts of Obama's story we never hear about at all: the stories from his childhood and adolescence. We know virtually nothing about this time in President Obama's life.
During college, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a college friend....Do you know anything about that ?
He studied at Occidental College for two years.....do you have a details ?
There was actually a few there that do remember him.

He went to Columbia, ...we've been told that some 400 of his classmates were contacted and found no one who remembered him....but he certainly was there.
Girlfriends ? Clubs ? Grades ?
He is a very smart guy....did he get scholarships ? Financial aid ? Did Grandma pay ?
And he a very interesting guy, thus the curiosity...

We hear he was a good soccer player, and loved basketball....very studious in his studies.
Even wrote an article on "Breaking the War Mentality" for the Sundial magazine.
This isn't to say that other politicians don't hide things, so many do....but its rare that the reporters don't
uncover something about them.....

Thats exactly what I'd like to know.....Hillary had more questions during the primary than the Republicans running against him did.

Looks like this post has more questions than ..... dots! I guess you better take some time off and do some research to find out the whole mysterious background of the man. Why don't we know the name of the girl who gave him his first kiss? He's the president for god's sakes. Surely no one should be president without telling the story of their first kiss. Not just anecdotes but the whole sorted story: first love to last! And all the details. Did he have phone sex? What are his fetishes? Did he reveal his desire to be president while in Pakistan? Why Columbia? Did he decide to go to Columbia while thinking about Christopher Columbus or smoking Columbian weed? These are important questions. And why don't we have anyone who will say they saw him doing drugs? Come on, you have a lot of research to do, better get an early start tomorrow.