9 Out Of 10 Americans Are Completely Wrong About This Mind-Blowing Fact

Truth Detector said:
Who says progressive taxation is Marxism; the current code is an abomination, but certainly vpcan it be called Marxism until it achieves 100% confiscation levels.

But the current code is used by corrupt Leftist politicians to obtain the votes of simpletons in order to retain their political power.

Supplanting it with a simplified flat tax or Fair "consumption" Tax would go a long way towards re-obtaining our liberties and freedoms.
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as I said, progressive taxation has been a part of our income tax formula since its inception. The only thing that has changed is the marginal percentages... and the highest marginal tax rate we EVER had was under a republican president.
 
Truth Detector said:
Who says progressive taxation is Marxism; the current code is an abomination, but certainly vpcan it be called Marxism until it achieves 100% confiscation levels.

But the current code is used by corrupt Leftist politicians to obtain the votes of simpletons in order to retain their political power.

Supplanting it with a simplified flat tax or Fair "consumption" Tax would go a long way towards re-obtaining our liberties and freedoms.
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Which could never actually happen. It would increase the tax burden on the middle class and poor to such an extent that they couldn't come close to paying and keeping the economy afloat. Where do these libertarian fantasies come from?

And just imagine, upping the taxes on teabaggers who are mostly poor or lower middle class! Alas, how would the Koch brothers maintain their stranglehold on their gang of idiots?
 
maineman said:
as I said, progressive taxation has been a part of our income tax formula since its inception. the only thing that has changed is the marginal percentages... and the highest marginal tax rate we EVER had was under a republican president.
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You would be factually incorrect; but I will be happy for you to make your case using facts. Can you provide any support for your claims which are fabrications?
 
Canceled said:
*Sigh* I am so sick of this stupid "wealth inequality" meme. Do you fuckwits just not comprehend the basic nature of life or something? If you plant a tree in a good location with proper water and soil, sun and nutrients, do you expect it to grow stronger, faster and better, than a tree planted in a less desirable location with inadequate water, soil, etc.? Of course you do, only an abject idiot would think that trees planted in the undesirable location should be as big and strong as the others.

People who are wealthy an have amassed fortunes, are generally going to do better than poor people who have nothing. For the same basic reason the tree in the good location will do better than the tree in the poor location. Now, we could haul the soil from the healthy tree to the poor tree, but if the poor tree was planted in a bad location, the "soil redistribution plan" just won't work. The same basic principle applies to "wealth redistribution." We can take money from the rich and give to the poor, like Robin Hood, but Robin Hood is fantasy. In practice, this only results in weakening the rich, it doesn't really help the poor. No poor person has ever been made wealthy by making rich people poorer.

Now, the people who have wealth, are also generally who start businesses and provide jobs to people who don't have wealth. So, if we hurt those people financially, what do you suppose is the ramification? Come on, I know you can get your retard brain to figure this out, if you try! The answer is simple, you effectively hurt the poor people who depend on the jobs from rich people, who have cut new jobs because they can't afford it anymore, because you raised their taxes too high. When this happens, what are the dynamics of wealth distribution? If a poor person loses their job, are they going to create more wealth disparity or less? You see, the concept of taxing the rich more to give to the poor, in an effort to "redistribute wealth" simply does not work, and never will work. It creates a cycle by which poor people become even poorer, as wealthy people continue to gain wealth. It's the diametric opposite of the environment you wish to create.
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Yet the entire middle class was enabled by the american labor movement.
 
maineman said:
progressive taxation is not marxist and has been a part of the US income tax formula since its inception.
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All I see is a pattern of the rich paying less and less tax(via loopholes) and the middle class being loaded with a heavier and heavier burden(more tax via inflation).
 
wiseones2cents said:
The point is that they can be manipulated. Supply and thus demand(and profits) can be controlled.
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No, you're unable to make a coherent point; mine was that markets can ONLY be manipulated through illegal activity or Government intrusion, Government intrusion being the most common and the greater cause of out-of-control cycles like the one in 2007 with mortgages.

As for the illegal kind, it is very short lived and results in jail time and collapse for those who attempt it. It does not cause the massive disruptions that Government engages in.

So with all that, what is your point?
 
wiseones2cents said:
All I see is a pattern of the rich paying less and less tax(via loopholes) and the middle class being loaded with a heavier and heavier burden(more tax via inflation).
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This is incredibly false and dimwitted; do you have any evidence that supports your incredibly false claim here?

I believe your screen name is an oxymoron; there is nothing “wise” about your posts. I would guess you are under 30 years of age based on your posts.
 
Thank you for the informative article, "New ideas for labor" in the Aug. 10 Press. It points out several ways dedicated new workers' rights groups and traditional union organizers are cooperating to "create new models and new ways to represent workers."

I applaud their efforts!

Are unions perfect? Far from. Have there been egregious union abuses? Certainly.

But the American labor movement created the American middle class. It is not surprising that the declining living standards of the middle class coincided with the political efforts to emasculate American unions.

Do you like a living wage? Do you like an eight-hour workday? Do you like safe working conditions? Do you like weekends? Do you like vacations, personal days, sick time and health insurance? If so, thank a union.

American workers enjoy these only because dedicated labor leaders and members fought, sacrificed and sometimes died for the right to collective bargaining.

Collective bargaining is the fundamental concept governing workers' rights. Without that right - exercised without fear of retaliation - we create a workplace environment of every-man-for-himself. And no individual worker is any match for the company.

Logically enough, corporate America will always defend its business-minded agenda of more and greater profits for the owners, sacrificing their workers' well-being to that cause. With collective action, working Americans can protect their vital interests. With solidarity, America's workers can attain status as middle-class Americans.

Flora T. Higgins

http://www.app.com/article/20130819/NJOPINION02/308190003/
 
AssHatZombie said:
Thank you for the informative article, "New ideas for labor" in the Aug. 10 Press. It points out several ways dedicated new workers' rights groups and traditional union organizers are cooperating to "create new models and new ways to represent workers."

I applaud their efforts!

Are unions perfect? Far from. Have there been egregious union abuses? Certainly.

But the American labor movement created the American middle class. It is not surprising that the declining living standards of the middle class coincided with the political efforts to emasculate American unions.

Do you like a living wage? Do you like an eight-hour workday? Do you like safe working conditions? Do you like weekends? Do you like vacations, personal days, sick time and health insurance? If so, thank a union.

American workers enjoy these only because dedicated labor leaders and members fought, sacrificed and sometimes died for the right to collective bargaining.

Collective bargaining is the fundamental concept governing workers' rights. Without that right - exercised without fear of retaliation - we create a workplace environment of every-man-for-himself. And no individual worker is any match for the company.

Logically enough, corporate America will always defend its business-minded agenda of more and greater profits for the owners, sacrificing their workers' well-being to that cause. With collective action, working Americans can protect their vital interests. With solidarity, America's workers can attain status as middle-class Americans.

Flora T. Higgins

http://www.app.com/article/20130819/NJOPINION02/308190003/
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So you think an union OPINION piece is factual credible support for your inane claims?

Yes, you really are THAT stupid.
 
Truth Detector said:
No, you're unable to make a coherent point; mine was that markets can ONLY be manipulated through illegal activity or Government intrusion, Government intrusion being the most common and the greater cause of out-of-control cycles like the one in 2007 with mortgages.

As for the illegal kind, it is very short lived and results in jail time and collapse for those who attempt it. It does not cause the massive disruptions that Government engages in.

So with all that, what is your point?
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Maybe English is your second or third language?lol

It was asked:"And what determines a good or services utility". And maineman replied "markets". I stated markets can be manipulated. That is my entire point. The rich have been cornering the market for decades. You will not compete with a company that is getting billions of dollars of gov kick backs. How are they doing that? Via capitalism. They are bribing politicians.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Thank you for the informative article, "New ideas for labor" in the Aug. 10 Press. It points out several ways dedicated new workers' rights groups and traditional union organizers are cooperating to "create new models and new ways to represent workers."

I applaud their efforts!

Are unions perfect? Far from. Have there been egregious union abuses? Certainly.

But the American labor movement created the American middle class. It is not surprising that the declining living standards of the middle class coincided with the political efforts to emasculate American unions.

Do you like a living wage? Do you like an eight-hour workday? Do you like safe working conditions? Do you like weekends? Do you like vacations, personal days, sick time and health insurance? If so, thank a union.

American workers enjoy these only because dedicated labor leaders and members fought, sacrificed and sometimes died for the right to collective bargaining.

Collective bargaining is the fundamental concept governing workers' rights. Without that right - exercised without fear of retaliation - we create a workplace environment of every-man-for-himself. And no individual worker is any match for the company.

Logically enough, corporate America will always defend its business-minded agenda of more and greater profits for the owners, sacrificing their workers' well-being to that cause. With collective action, working Americans can protect their vital interests. With solidarity, America's workers can attain status as middle-class Americans.

Flora T. Higgins

http://www.app.com/article/20130819/NJOPINION02/308190003/
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Yes Unions are a necessary evil. I believe it was started because immigrants were being discriminated on in America. Since the government failed to protect jobs and benefits? The Unions resulted.
 
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