Should all drugs be legalized?

Should all drugs be legalized?

  • Yes because we need the tax income

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes because the government should get off our backs

    Votes: 2 22.2%

  • Yes because enforcement is futile and racist

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No

    Votes: 7 77.8%
  • Total voters
    9
The War on Poverty seems to be working OK. Once you factor in the various forms of government assistance that poor people receive, the actual poverty rate is pretty damn low, and close to zero by some measures.
 
Dungheap said:
The War on Poverty seems to be working OK. Once you factor in the various forms of government assistance that poor people receive, the actual poverty rate is pretty damn low, and close to zero by some measures.
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I can't imagine the number of seniors that would be dying without it. People laim our poverty isn't as bad as third world countries and I think it is because of our ability to provide for the least of our brethren.
 
Dungheap said:
The War on Poverty seems to be working OK. Once you factor in the various forms of government assistance that poor people receive, the actual poverty rate is pretty damn low, and close to zero by some measures.
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the poverty rate is about 13.5%... which is pretty much on par for the last 40 years. While I agree the assistance programs that exist today do a good job of keeping them from starving etc... they are not doing a good job of getting people out of poverty. It is in that area we are failing.
 
Rana said:
I can't imagine the number of seniors that would be dying without it. People laim our poverty isn't as bad as third world countries and I think it is because of our ability to provide for the least of our brethren.
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It isn't a claim. Our countries 'impoverished' are no where close to going through what third world countries impoverished see.

Again, not saying we should not take care of the poor. But that we should do more to break the cycle vs. creating dependency. Easier said than done to be sure.
 
Superfreak said:
the poverty rate is about 13.5%... which is pretty much on par for the last 40 years. While I agree the assistance programs that exist today do a good job of keeping them from starving etc... they are not doing a good job of getting people out of poverty. It is in that area we are failing.
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Well, I guess there are two separate issues you're dealing with here. First, whether there is much actual poverty in the United States once you factor in the various forms of public assitances to people living at the margin. On this score, the War on Poverty has been tremendously effective. Maybe there's a better way to achieve this within the confines of our economic system but I very much doubt it.

Second, whether the various forms of government assistance help people out of poverty. On this score, I'd agree that the current system is suboptimal, but I think the way to achieve that is in the form of more, different assistance. Like free daycare, free college and the like. Expanding the current social welfare state is a non-starter though.

As an aside, do you know of any solid research on whether people remain dependent on government assistance versus different people cycling into and out of pverty over time?
 
Dungheap said:
Well, I guess there are two separate issues you're dealing with here. First, whether there is much actual poverty in the United States once you factor in the various forms of public assitances to people living at the margin. On this score, the War on Poverty has been tremendously effective. Maybe there's a better way to achieve this within the confines of our economic system but I very much doubt it.

Second, whether the various forms of government assistance help people out of poverty. On this score, I'd agree that the current system is suboptimal, but I think the way to achieve that is in the form of more, different assistance. Like free daycare, free college and the like. Expanding the current social welfare state is a non-starter though.

As an aside, do you know of any solid research on whether people remain dependent on government assistance versus different people cycling into and out of pverty over time?
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Not sure how many live in persistent poverty, but the following two are decent reads if you have the time (first one only two pages... just bullet points with references)

http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411956_transitioningpoverty.pdf

http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~wright/Con...12 -- Persistent poverty -- Norton August.pdf

I will take a look to see if I can find out more about persistent poverty rates. My recollection is it is about half of the poverty rate (roughly) that are there persistently, but it has been a while since I looked, so don't hold me to that.
 
Dungheap said:
The War on Poverty seems to be working OK. Once you factor in the various forms of government assistance that poor people receive, the actual poverty rate is pretty damn low, and close to zero by some measures.
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I would question whether or not it was 'working' then since I'm not happy to be paying for it. It's not 'winning' in my opinion if other people are paying to support them. It's certainly not a part of the solution that I want to see perpetuated.
 
Lorca said:
I would question whether or not it was 'working' then since I'm not happy to be paying for it. It's not 'winning' in my opinion if other people are paying to support them. It's certainly not a part of the solution that I want to see perpetuated.
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Is it truly a solution to poverty if other people pay for your food, shelter, bills, etc when that money is not earned? Arent you still poor? Has your income level been raised?
 
Lorca said:
Is it truly a solution to poverty if other people pay for your food, shelter, bills, etc when that money is not earned? Arent you still poor? Has your income level been raised?
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No, but your basic needs of food and shelter have been met and most on welfare are the elderly, children and the disabled, do you propose we make seniors work and bring back child labor?
 
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Lorca said:
Who is Michelle?
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Lacking evidence to support legalization, there's no wonder the registered voters of JPP have voted not to legalize all drugs.

 
What evidence was posted to support keeping them illegal?

But be honest....you arent sure that 'evidence' has any value any way, right?


LMAO
 
Rana said:
No, but your basic needs of food and shelter have been met and most on welfare are the elderly, children and the disabled, do you propose we make seniors work and bring back child labor?
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I know it's off topic but that sounds like BS to me. Unless you count the kids of the PARENTS that are collecting the welfare, which is NOT the same thing.
 
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