Prove the US is lying about who used the chemical weapons on whom
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Truthmatters
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Do you really think that we are going to just drop bombs and that's that? You are dumber than I thought.
For the record, I learned the lessons of Iraq. I say no to Syria.
Now you can hide behind your name calling, but that's a fact jack
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Why isn't any other country lining up?
evince
Truthmatters
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
so now you hate Bush for lying us into wars after he sat back and allowed us to be hit on our own soil?
and you will only punish this country and Obama for the Bush crimes?
evince
Truthmatters
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#AMERICAISDEAD
I don't give two shits about Syria.
You make a great neocon. Good for you. Who knew that Obama could turn Desh into a neocon. But here we are
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Oh is the UK going in with us? Other Arab nations? Russia? China?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
when the left runs the country there is no collateral damage......that only happens when the right runs the country.....
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
????.....Syria is a mess Bush made?.....
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
so your theory is Obama has to bomb Syria because Bush thought Saddam's WMD went to Syria?......is that the mess Bush made that Obama has to mop up?.......
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
RAND Corp: Bombing Syria Will Be Ineffective, Risks Greater US Involvement in Regional War
Any U.S. bombing mission in Syria is unlikely to effectively protect civilians and runs the risk of instigating a regional war and greater U.S. involvement, according to a study just published by the RAND Corporation.
“Destroying or grounding the Syrian air force is operationally feasible but would have only marginal benefits for protecting civilians,” the report’s press release explains, and “any airpower option would involve substantial risks of escalation by third parties, or could lead to greater U.S. military involvement in Syria.”
The study also finds that “merely punishing the Assad regime for using chemical weapons is not likely to be an effective deterrent.”
The Obama administration’s key selling point to the public for a new war on Syria has been that it will be limited and won’t include boots on the ground. Syria will not become America’s quagmire like Iraq and Afghanistan were, they promise.
But even if these claims are sincere, it’s not something Washington is likely to be able to control following airstrikes that carry unforeseeable consequences. And then, the messier it gets, the more the U.S. will own the problem.
“The U.S. and its allies can certainly conduct an operationally successful air campaign in Syria,” said Karl Mueller, author of the RAND report. “But each of these aerial intervention options has the potential to escalate or expand the conflict, and could lead to unwelcome responses from Assad’s allies or to wider or deeper U.S. military involvement.”
http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/09/03/...risks-greater-us-involvement-in-regional-war/
RAND study
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR400/RR446/RAND_RR446.pdf
Any U.S. bombing mission in Syria is unlikely to effectively protect civilians and runs the risk of instigating a regional war and greater U.S. involvement, according to a study just published by the RAND Corporation.
“Destroying or grounding the Syrian air force is operationally feasible but would have only marginal benefits for protecting civilians,” the report’s press release explains, and “any airpower option would involve substantial risks of escalation by third parties, or could lead to greater U.S. military involvement in Syria.”
The study also finds that “merely punishing the Assad regime for using chemical weapons is not likely to be an effective deterrent.”
The Obama administration’s key selling point to the public for a new war on Syria has been that it will be limited and won’t include boots on the ground. Syria will not become America’s quagmire like Iraq and Afghanistan were, they promise.
But even if these claims are sincere, it’s not something Washington is likely to be able to control following airstrikes that carry unforeseeable consequences. And then, the messier it gets, the more the U.S. will own the problem.
“The U.S. and its allies can certainly conduct an operationally successful air campaign in Syria,” said Karl Mueller, author of the RAND report. “But each of these aerial intervention options has the potential to escalate or expand the conflict, and could lead to unwelcome responses from Assad’s allies or to wider or deeper U.S. military involvement.”
http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/09/03/...risks-greater-us-involvement-in-regional-war/
RAND study
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR400/RR446/RAND_RR446.pdf
evince
Truthmatters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_corporation#Notable_participants
John von Neumann, consultant to the RAND Corporation.[17]Henry H. "Hap" Arnold: General, United States Air Force
Kenneth Arrow: economist, won the Nobel Prize in Economics, developed the impossibility theorem in social choice theory
Bruno Augenstein: V.P., physicist, mathematician and space scientist
Robert Aumann: mathematician, game theorist, won the Nobel Prize in Economics.
J. Paul Austin: Chairman of the Board, 1972–1981
Paul Baran: one of the developers of packet switching which was used in Arpanet and later networks like the Internet
Richard Bellman: Mathematician known for his work on dynamic programming
Barry Boehm: worked in interactive computer graphics with the RAND Corporation in the 1960s and had helped define the ARPANET in the early phases of that program[18]
Harold L. Brode: physicist, leading nuclear weapons effects expert
Bernard Brodie: Military strategist and nuclear architect
Samuel Cohen: inventor of the neutron bomb in 1958[19]
Franklin R. Collbohm: Aviation engineer, Douglas Aircraft Company, RAND founder and former director and trustee.[20]
Walter Cunningham: astronaut
George Dantzig: mathematician, creator of the simplex algorithm for linear programming
Linda Darling-Hammond: co-director, School Redesign Network
James F. Digby: American military strategist, author of first treatise on precision guided munitions 1949–2007[21]
Stephen H. Dole: Author of the book Habitable Planets for Man[22][23]
Donald Wills Douglas, Sr.: President, Douglas Aircraft Company, RAND founder
Hubert Dreyfus: philosopher and critic of artificial intelligence
Daniel Ellsberg: leaker of the Pentagon Papers
Francis Fukuyama: academic and author of The End of History and the Last Man
Horace Rowan Gaither: Chairman of the Board, 1949–1959, 1960–1961; known for the Gaither Report.
David Galula, French officer and scholar
James J. Gillogly: cryptographer and computer scientist
Cecil Hastings: Wrote "Approximations for Digital Computers" It has been estimated that this research saved enough machine time and memory (measured in dollar value) to have financed Project RAND for 15 years.
Karen Elliott House: Chairman of the Board, 2009–Present, Former Publisher, The Wall Street Journal; Former Senior Vice President, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
Brian Michael Jenkins: terrorism expert, Senior Advisor to the President of the RAND Corporation, and author of Unconquerable Nation
Herman Kahn: theorist on nuclear war and one of the founders of scenario planning
Konrad Kellen: research analyst and author, co-wrote open letter to U.S. government in 1969 recommending withdrawal from Vietnam war[24]
Zalmay Khalilzad: U.S. ambassador to United Nations
Henry Kissinger: United States Secretary of State (1973–1977); National Security Advisor (1969–1975); Nobel Peace Prize Winner (1973)
Ann McLaughlin Korologos: Chairman of the Board, April 2004 – 2009; Chairman Emeritus, The Aspen Institute
Lewis "Scooter" Libby: United States Vice-President Dick Cheney's former Chief of Staff
Ray Mabus: Former ambassador, governor
Harry Markowitz: economist, greatly advanced financial portfolio theory by devising mean variance analysis
Andrew W. Marshall: military strategist, director of the U.S. DoD Office of Net Assessment
Margaret Mead: U.S. anthropologist
Douglas Merrill: Former Google CIO & President of EMI's digital music division
Newton N. Minow: Chairman of the board, 1970–1972
Lloyd N. Morrisett: Chairman of the board, 1986–1995
John Forbes Nash, Jr.: mathematician, won the Nobel Prize in Economics
John von Neumann: mathematician, pioneer of the modern digital computer
Allen Newell: artificial intelligence
Paul O'Neill: Chairman of the board, 1997–2000
Edmund Phelps: winner of the 2006 Nobel Prize in Economics
Arthur E. Raymond: Chief engineer, Douglas Aircraft Company, RAND founder
Condoleezza Rice: former intern, former trustee (1991–1997), and former Secretary of State for the United States
Michael D. Rich: RAND President and Chief Executive Officer, Nov. 1, 2011–present
Leo Rosten: academic and humorist, helped set up the social sciences division of RAND[25]
Donald Rumsfeld: Chairman of board from 1981 to 1986; 1995–1996 and secretary of defense for the United States from 1975 to 1977 and 2001 to 2006.
Robert M. Salter: advocate of the vactrain maglev train concept
Paul Samuelson: economist, Nobel Prize in Economics
Thomas C. Schelling: economist, won the 2005 Nobel Prize in Economics
James Schlesinger: former secretary of defense and former secretary of energy
Norman Shapiro: mathematician, co-author of the Rice–Shapiro theorem, MH Email and RAND-Abel co-designer
Lloyd Shapley: mathematician and game theorist, won the Nobel Prize in Economics
Cliff Shaw: inventor of the linked list and co-author of the first artificial intelligence program
Abram Shulsky: former Director of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans[26]
Herbert Simon: Political scientist, psychologist, won the 1978 Nobel Prize in Economics
James P Smith: Health economist
Frank Stanton: Chairman of the board, 1961–1967[27]
James Steinberg: Deputy National Security Advisor to Bill Clinton
Peter Szanton: Policy analyst and former head of RAND operations in New York City[28]
Ratan Tata: Chairman Emeritus of Tata Sons [29]
James Thomson: RAND president and CEO, 1989 – Oct. 31, 2011
William H. Webster: Chairman of the board, 1959–1960
Albert Wohlstetter: Mathematician and Cold-War strategist
Roberta Wohlstetter: Policy analyst and military historian
Oliver Williamson: economist
John von Neumann, consultant to the RAND Corporation.[17]Henry H. "Hap" Arnold: General, United States Air Force
Kenneth Arrow: economist, won the Nobel Prize in Economics, developed the impossibility theorem in social choice theory
Bruno Augenstein: V.P., physicist, mathematician and space scientist
Robert Aumann: mathematician, game theorist, won the Nobel Prize in Economics.
J. Paul Austin: Chairman of the Board, 1972–1981
Paul Baran: one of the developers of packet switching which was used in Arpanet and later networks like the Internet
Richard Bellman: Mathematician known for his work on dynamic programming
Barry Boehm: worked in interactive computer graphics with the RAND Corporation in the 1960s and had helped define the ARPANET in the early phases of that program[18]
Harold L. Brode: physicist, leading nuclear weapons effects expert
Bernard Brodie: Military strategist and nuclear architect
Samuel Cohen: inventor of the neutron bomb in 1958[19]
Franklin R. Collbohm: Aviation engineer, Douglas Aircraft Company, RAND founder and former director and trustee.[20]
Walter Cunningham: astronaut
George Dantzig: mathematician, creator of the simplex algorithm for linear programming
Linda Darling-Hammond: co-director, School Redesign Network
James F. Digby: American military strategist, author of first treatise on precision guided munitions 1949–2007[21]
Stephen H. Dole: Author of the book Habitable Planets for Man[22][23]
Donald Wills Douglas, Sr.: President, Douglas Aircraft Company, RAND founder
Hubert Dreyfus: philosopher and critic of artificial intelligence
Daniel Ellsberg: leaker of the Pentagon Papers
Francis Fukuyama: academic and author of The End of History and the Last Man
Horace Rowan Gaither: Chairman of the Board, 1949–1959, 1960–1961; known for the Gaither Report.
David Galula, French officer and scholar
James J. Gillogly: cryptographer and computer scientist
Cecil Hastings: Wrote "Approximations for Digital Computers" It has been estimated that this research saved enough machine time and memory (measured in dollar value) to have financed Project RAND for 15 years.
Karen Elliott House: Chairman of the Board, 2009–Present, Former Publisher, The Wall Street Journal; Former Senior Vice President, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
Brian Michael Jenkins: terrorism expert, Senior Advisor to the President of the RAND Corporation, and author of Unconquerable Nation
Herman Kahn: theorist on nuclear war and one of the founders of scenario planning
Konrad Kellen: research analyst and author, co-wrote open letter to U.S. government in 1969 recommending withdrawal from Vietnam war[24]
Zalmay Khalilzad: U.S. ambassador to United Nations
Henry Kissinger: United States Secretary of State (1973–1977); National Security Advisor (1969–1975); Nobel Peace Prize Winner (1973)
Ann McLaughlin Korologos: Chairman of the Board, April 2004 – 2009; Chairman Emeritus, The Aspen Institute
Lewis "Scooter" Libby: United States Vice-President Dick Cheney's former Chief of Staff
Ray Mabus: Former ambassador, governor
Harry Markowitz: economist, greatly advanced financial portfolio theory by devising mean variance analysis
Andrew W. Marshall: military strategist, director of the U.S. DoD Office of Net Assessment
Margaret Mead: U.S. anthropologist
Douglas Merrill: Former Google CIO & President of EMI's digital music division
Newton N. Minow: Chairman of the board, 1970–1972
Lloyd N. Morrisett: Chairman of the board, 1986–1995
John Forbes Nash, Jr.: mathematician, won the Nobel Prize in Economics
John von Neumann: mathematician, pioneer of the modern digital computer
Allen Newell: artificial intelligence
Paul O'Neill: Chairman of the board, 1997–2000
Edmund Phelps: winner of the 2006 Nobel Prize in Economics
Arthur E. Raymond: Chief engineer, Douglas Aircraft Company, RAND founder
Condoleezza Rice: former intern, former trustee (1991–1997), and former Secretary of State for the United States
Michael D. Rich: RAND President and Chief Executive Officer, Nov. 1, 2011–present
Leo Rosten: academic and humorist, helped set up the social sciences division of RAND[25]
Donald Rumsfeld: Chairman of board from 1981 to 1986; 1995–1996 and secretary of defense for the United States from 1975 to 1977 and 2001 to 2006.
Robert M. Salter: advocate of the vactrain maglev train concept
Paul Samuelson: economist, Nobel Prize in Economics
Thomas C. Schelling: economist, won the 2005 Nobel Prize in Economics
James Schlesinger: former secretary of defense and former secretary of energy
Norman Shapiro: mathematician, co-author of the Rice–Shapiro theorem, MH Email and RAND-Abel co-designer
Lloyd Shapley: mathematician and game theorist, won the Nobel Prize in Economics
Cliff Shaw: inventor of the linked list and co-author of the first artificial intelligence program
Abram Shulsky: former Director of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans[26]
Herbert Simon: Political scientist, psychologist, won the 1978 Nobel Prize in Economics
James P Smith: Health economist
Frank Stanton: Chairman of the board, 1961–1967[27]
James Steinberg: Deputy National Security Advisor to Bill Clinton
Peter Szanton: Policy analyst and former head of RAND operations in New York City[28]
Ratan Tata: Chairman Emeritus of Tata Sons [29]
James Thomson: RAND president and CEO, 1989 – Oct. 31, 2011
William H. Webster: Chairman of the board, 1959–1960
Albert Wohlstetter: Mathematician and Cold-War strategist
Roberta Wohlstetter: Policy analyst and military historian
Oliver Williamson: economist
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What difference does that make? They're not making a decision. They're providing some insight.
What do you think our taking action will accomplish? I'm not being facetious or anything; I just haven't seen a clear objective out of the admin on this. It just seems like their only goal is to "do something."