Prove the US is lying about who used the chemical weapons on whom
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One of the better posts on this -I'm going to have to read thru the links, etc.Connections Between Al Qaeda And Libyan Rebels Run Deep
MARCH 26, 2011
There’s more evidence today that many of the men engaged in fighting against the Gaddafi regime have ties to an organization that killed 3,000 Americans about 9 1/2 years ago:
Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi’s regime.
In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited “around 25″ men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are “today are on the front lines in Adjabiya”.
Mr al-Hasidi insisted his fighters “are patriots and good Muslims, not terrorists,” but added that the “members of al-Qaeda are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader”.
His revelations came even as Idriss Deby Itno, Chad’s president, said al-Qaeda had managed to pillage military arsenals in the Libyan rebel zone and acquired arms, “including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries”
more
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/connections-between-al-qaeda-and-libyan-rebels-run-deep/
Fast forward to today ..
Obama’s Liberated Libya is Now Al Qaeda’s HQ
MAY 6, 2013
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/obamas-liberated-libya-is-now-al-qaedas-hq/
Al-Qaeda virtually in control of Libya: Lawrence Freeman
Press TV: Muammar Gaddafi was toppled, but why is there still no sign of calm in the country?
Freeman: The destruction of the nation of Libya is designed to carry out policy of chaos and death across northern Africa.
Al-Qaeda now is virtually in control of the country and we’ve created a monster that is out of control except if you recognize that that’s the intention.
Press TV: Many say that the deteriorating situation in Libya, what we’re seeing now, is actually a legacy of NATO forces. What do you think?
Freeman: We know that the Syrian operation is a continuation of the Libyan operation, which is a policy that was put forth by Tony Blair and the British to destroy this area of the world.
And if we go ahead with the regime change policy in Syria as the British are advocating, then you will see more death and destruction and possibly war with Russia. This is a very, very dangerous policy that is being pursued by the West at this time.
Press TV: The way you’re relating the intervention into Libya by NATO to the Syrian crisis. What you’re saying is we might perhaps see NATO forces be stationed in Syria. Am I correct?
Freeman: Whether it is actually NATO forces or not, the policy right now is to remove the president.
And we’ve been working with al-Nusra, which is a well known al-Qaeda operation and in fact its credible intelligence that one of the operations that was being run out of Benghazi, that led to the attack against our ambassador there, was shipping arms into Syria for support of the al-Qaeda insurgents.
So this is very much a continuation of the Libya policy. Whether there is troops on the ground or not we could see massive chaos throughout the entire Middle East and Persian Gulf region and most dangerously a direct military conflict with Russia. And that’s what some of the wiser people in our military defense institutions now are actually opposing President Obama on escalating the policy for war in Syria.
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/19/304334/nato-handed-libya-over-to-alqaeda/
This is a pattern that you'd have to be blind not to see.
Imagine what America's image is all over the world. All the anguish over 9/11 .. only to find America in bed with the same organization that supposedly pulled it off.
evince
Truthmatters
evince
Truthmatters
Connections Between Al Qaeda And Libyan Rebels Run Deep
MARCH 26, 2011
There’s more evidence today that many of the men engaged in fighting against the Gaddafi regime have ties to an organization that killed 3,000 Americans about 9 1/2 years ago:
Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi’s regime.
In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited “around 25″ men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are “today are on the front lines in Adjabiya”.
Mr al-Hasidi insisted his fighters “are patriots and good Muslims, not terrorists,” but added that the “members of al-Qaeda are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader”.
His revelations came even as Idriss Deby Itno, Chad’s president, said al-Qaeda had managed to pillage military arsenals in the Libyan rebel zone and acquired arms, “including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries”
more
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/connections-between-al-qaeda-and-libyan-rebels-run-deep/
Fast forward to today ..
Obama’s Liberated Libya is Now Al Qaeda’s HQ
MAY 6, 2013
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/obamas-liberated-libya-is-now-al-qaedas-hq/
Al-Qaeda virtually in control of Libya: Lawrence Freeman
Press TV: Muammar Gaddafi was toppled, but why is there still no sign of calm in the country?
Freeman: The destruction of the nation of Libya is designed to carry out policy of chaos and death across northern Africa.
Al-Qaeda now is virtually in control of the country and we’ve created a monster that is out of control except if you recognize that that’s the intention.
Press TV: Many say that the deteriorating situation in Libya, what we’re seeing now, is actually a legacy of NATO forces. What do you think?
Freeman: We know that the Syrian operation is a continuation of the Libyan operation, which is a policy that was put forth by Tony Blair and the British to destroy this area of the world.
And if we go ahead with the regime change policy in Syria as the British are advocating, then you will see more death and destruction and possibly war with Russia. This is a very, very dangerous policy that is being pursued by the West at this time.
Press TV: The way you’re relating the intervention into Libya by NATO to the Syrian crisis. What you’re saying is we might perhaps see NATO forces be stationed in Syria. Am I correct?
Freeman: Whether it is actually NATO forces or not, the policy right now is to remove the president.
And we’ve been working with al-Nusra, which is a well known al-Qaeda operation and in fact its credible intelligence that one of the operations that was being run out of Benghazi, that led to the attack against our ambassador there, was shipping arms into Syria for support of the al-Qaeda insurgents.
So this is very much a continuation of the Libya policy. Whether there is troops on the ground or not we could see massive chaos throughout the entire Middle East and Persian Gulf region and most dangerously a direct military conflict with Russia. And that’s what some of the wiser people in our military defense institutions now are actually opposing President Obama on escalating the policy for war in Syria.
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/19/304334/nato-handed-libya-over-to-alqaeda/
This is a pattern that you'd have to be blind not to see.
Imagine what America's image is all over the world. All the anguish over 9/11 .. only to find America in bed with the same organization that supposedly pulled it off.
how in this hot bed of a mess in the middle east do you make sure all the people who develop like goals are choir boys?
wake the fuck up.
Life is not going to change simply because you have narrow goals.
evince
Truthmatters
Every move you make in the real world has blowback.
how dumb is the leader that doesn't allow their enemies to help them at times when they are silly enough to do so.
think man think.
the world is very complicated and if your goal was to NEVER allow your enemy to help you out of foolishness you would be frozen in place
how dumb is the leader that doesn't allow their enemies to help them at times when they are silly enough to do so.
think man think.
the world is very complicated and if your goal was to NEVER allow your enemy to help you out of foolishness you would be frozen in place
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I've posted that information a hundred times .. but be honest .. NOTHING is going to change your mind.
Viagra allegations raised amid Libya divisions at UN
UNITED NATIONS — The United States on Thursday raised allegations that Moamer Kadhafi's regime gives viagra to troops to carry out rapes as the UN Security Council wrangled over coalition attacks in Libya, diplomats said.
Russia and other nations have argued that France, Britain, the United States and their allies patrolling a no-fly zone over Libya are going beyond the mandate given by UN Security Council resolutions.
But the United States insisted that coalition actions were within the resolutions. US ambassador Susan Rice highlighted the use of viagra in the closed-door meeting as the debate intensified, according to diplomats present.
Rice said Kadhafi's forces were "issuing viagra to soldiers so that they go out and rape," said one diplomat at the meeting.
The ambassador did not give sources for the allegations. But another diplomat at the meeting said she made the comment as part of a debate with another envoy to highlight that "the coalition is confronting an adversary doing reprehensible things."
The US mission did not immediately comment on the claims.
more
http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...cId=CNG.884a11613242c5f5776f856c69831f72.10b1
THEN, the truth became known ..
Our UN Ambassador's Shocking False Rape Claim
http://www.cotwa.info/2012/12/our-un-ambassadors-shocking-false-rape.html
Amnesty International Finds No Evidence of Mass Rape in Libya: How Should Feminists Respond?
http://www.genderacrossborders.com/...s-rape-in-libya-how-should-feminists-respond/
Just one of the PROVEN lies to war
cawacko
Well-known member
What will be the result of our actions if we attack? Will Assad stay in power? Will the civil war continue? If Assad is removed who do you see taking over?
evince
Truthmatters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya#Revolution
On 17 March 2011 the UN Security Council passed Resolution 1973 with a 10–0 vote and five abstentions. The resolution sanctioned the establishment of a no-fly zone and the use of "all means necessary" to protect civilians within Libya.[67] On 19 March, the first Allied act to secure the no-fly zone began when French military jets entered Libyan airspace on a reconnaissance mission heralding attacks on enemy targets.[68] By 22 August 2011, rebel fighters had entered Tripoli and occupied Green Square,[69] which they renamed Martyrs' Square in honour of those killed since 17 February 2011.
The liberation of Libya was celebrated on 23 October 2011. At least 30,000 Libyans died in the civil war.[70]
The rapes your talking about were after the actions took place
evince
Truthmatters
Back in the spring of 2011, in an attempt to persuade nations growing increasingly skeptical about NATO-led attacks on Libya, especially India, Russia and China, Rice went before a closed door meeting of the United Nations Security Council and announced that Gaddafi's forces were issuing Viagra, the drug used to treat erectile dysfunction, to soldiers "so that they go out and rape" civilians in areas that support the rebels. "This story was taken so seriously that some people started writing to Pfizer to get it to stop selling Viagra to Libya, since its product was allegedly being used as a weapon of war." http://allafrica.com/stories/201110281053.html?page=7
spring
the vote to go by the UN had already been voted on.
Then they thought rapes might be taking place.
Im sure some rapes were.
The evidence did not reflect wide spread rape in the after assessment.
spring
the vote to go by the UN had already been voted on.
Then they thought rapes might be taking place.
Im sure some rapes were.
The evidence did not reflect wide spread rape in the after assessment.
evince
Truthmatters
this is NOT about removing the guy.
THIS is about saying don't go there asshole.
there are a lot of assholes in the region who would love to gas their own people.
cawacko
Well-known member
So we will bomb them, they will stop using chemical weapons, and the civil war will go on as it has been?
Bullshit...if you have a problem with the intelligence report of October 2002 then you can go bitch to the 16 intelligence agency's that came to the
conclusions presented in it and that they presented to the president.....its all there to read
The only bullshit is your ridiculous claim that the NIE was known to be false and was intended to misled the president and Congress
Now .... Lets try it again, fool....
what we found out in 2003 and 2004 has NOTHING to do with what we believed to be the facts in 2002
what we found out in 2003 and 2004 has NOTHING to do with what the NIE of October, 2002 presented to Bush as the the best available intelligence on Iraq as of that time.
Callinectes
Proud MAGA Semi-Facist
This from the Financial Times, 22 August:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d57c9b66-0a76-11e3-9cec-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2dkH3vaB2
Hilarious.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d57c9b66-0a76-11e3-9cec-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2dkH3vaB2
Hilarious.
Maybe thats what bac is trying to get across to you.....don't fuckin' go to war on allegations that are unproven....
The rape stories and Viagra were bullshit for most part
Callinectes
Proud MAGA Semi-Facist
I don't think so. It would be more like, "hey, bonus! MREs, Tomahawks and American technology deployed in combat by infidels fighting alongside Muslim maniacs, we are going to kick Assad's ass soooooo ironically!"
