Employment and the Minimum Wage

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Republicans are responding to President Obama’s proposal raise the federal minimum wage by arguing that requiring businesses to pay their workers at least $9 an hour would lead employers to shed jobs or increase prices and pass the costs onto consumers.

“When you raise the price of employment, guess what happens? You get less of it,” House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said at a House Republican press conference on Wednesday. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) agreed, explaining that “the impact of minimum wage usually is that businesses hire less people.” It’s a fairly logical and simple argument: increasing the cost of labor causes competitive employers to cut employment or hours to make up for the additional cost, hurting the very low-skilled workers that the policy was designed to benefit in the first place.

The problem? What sounds perfectly reasonable in theory doesn’t actually hold up in the real world and the overwhelming empirical consensus shows little if any effect of the minimum wage on employment.

For instance, in 2009 researchers conducted a review of 64 minimum-wage studies published between 1972 and 2007 measuring the impact of minimum wages on teenage employment and when they graphed “every employment estimate contained in these studies (over 1,000 in total), weighting each estimate by its statistical precision, they found that the most precise estimates were heavily clustered at or near zero employment effects.” The following year, researchers published a study comparing restaurant employment differences across 1,381 U.S. counties with different levels of the minimum wage” in every quarter between 1990 and 2006. Their conclusion: “The large negative elasticities in the traditional specification are generated primarily by regional and local differences in employment trends that are unrelated to minimum wage policies.”

The findings raise an important question: if employers aren’t responding to minimum wage increases by the seemingly logical action of cutting employment — which is what Republicans predict — then, what are employers doing?
John Schmitt finds the answer in a paper out this month for the Center for Economic and Policy Research. After reviewing the available data, he concludes that employers react to minimum wage increases by adjusting their practices in a wide range of ways, some of which can strengthen their businesses and the economy as a whole:

1. Improving efficiency. An increase in the minimum wage may lead employers to encourage employees to work harder, since they’re now being paid more. Such an adjustment may be preferable to “cutting employment (or hours) because employer actions that reduce employment can ‘hurt morale and engender retaliation.’” A review of 81 fast-food restaurants in Georgia and Alabama found that “90 percent of managers indicated that they planned to respond to the minimum-wage increase with increased performance standards such as ‘requiring a better attendance and on-time record, faster and more proficient performance of job duties, taking on additional tasks, and faster termination of poor performers.’”

2. Increasing demand. Raising the minimum wage may increase demand for goods and services and bolster consumer spending, offsetting the increase to employer costs. One study estimates “that an increase in the minimum-wage
from its current level of $7.25 per hour to $9.80 per hour by July 2014 would increase the earnings low-wage workers by about $40 billion over the period” and create some 100,000 jobs.

3. Lowering turnover. A higher minimum wage “makes it easier for employers to recruit and retain employees” and may even “compensate some or all of the increased wage costs, allowing employers to maintain employment levels.” One study found “striking evidence that separations, new hires, and turnover rates for teens and restaurant workers fall substantially following a minimum wage increase…”

4. Increasing prices. A comprehensive review of more than 30 academic papers on the price effects of the minimum wage found that “most studies reviewed above found that a 10% US minimum wage increase raises food prices by no more than 4% and overall prices by no more than 0.4%”; and “[t]he main policy recommendation deriving from such findings is that policy makers can use the minimum wage to increase the wages of the poor, without destroying too many jobs or causing too much inflation.”

As Joel Benoliel, senior vice president and chief legal officer at Costco, told CBS News, “If you have the best people in the marketplace working very hard because they’re being paid better, you end up spending less on labor, not more.” “There’s a fundamental misunderstanding among many employers who focus on how little they can pay. Our philosophy is that we actually pay less for labor per hour when we look at productivity and sales per hour,” he said.

Different employers will react in different ways, some reducing the benefit of the minimum wage for workers, others improving their well-being. The GOP’s doom and gloom predictions, however, are unfounded and contrary to their rhetoric, the majority of low‐wage workers “are not employed by small businesses, but rather by large corporations with over 100 employees.” These companies have largely recovered from the recession and can afford to pay their employees more.
In fact, the three largest employers of minimum wage workers, Wal‐Mart, Yum! Brands (Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, and KFC), and McDonald’s, all are more profitable than they were before the Great Recession and “have awarded their top executives multi-million dollar compensation packages.”

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/02/14/1594181/no-firing-minimum-wage-raise/
 
More progressive nonsense rather than reality.....business WILL pay the employees according to the value the business places on that employee...unlike government employees....
Most recently as revealed in the TSA, IRS, and DEA.....where sleeping on the job, not showing up for work, theft (TSA), gross ethical misconduct (DEA) and (IRS), and of course
actual breaking of the laws results in no one losing their job, retirements, or going to jail as should be happening.....

Most, if not all min. wage jobs are not to provide a career job ....they are entry level jobs meant for teenagers or the retired looking for part time employment and require
the min. of skills to perform.....they are meant to expose the young to job responsibilities and develop a work ethic.....to provide on the job training for those new to
the labor market, etc. This is not say that some of these entry level jobs won't lead to permanent positions in these markets, of course some will and obviously the wages
will reflect that new level of responsibility within these corporations.......when you outgrow the entry level job simply move on to bigger and better jobs as your education and knowledge dictates....that was, is, and should be the way of a free market and free labor force.....

Possessives think nothing of giving their babysitters a measly buck or two a hour to watch their most valued possession, their children...and consider it adequate......
or give the kid next door a pittance for clearing their driveways or mowing their lawns.....they will shop studiously for the cheapest mechanic to repair their cars...
in other words they will look for the worker that costs them the least for their own jobs and demand others pay more for whatever labor they need....thats reality.
 
Businesses are just bluffing. 9 dollars an hour will not break them. They wont lay them off because none of those fat cats will get in there and serve fries themselves, and the public will only pay a certain amount for fast food. It will cut into profits, and thats just fine. People matter.
 
To add to the discussion I saw this in an article Desh posted from The Economist on Hong Kong employing a minimum wage.


""Secondary consequences are inevitable. Miriam Lau, a Liberal member of the legislature, says that even at HK$24 an hour, the minimum wage would cost 30,000 jobs, or 1% of the workforce. At HK$32, 170,000 jobs would go, doubling unemployment. Young people and immigrants from China, who are scooped by the territory's abundant restaurants, building sites and cleaning and delivery businesses, would be the likeliest to be out of work. Such industries also employ disabled and older workers on low pay. Subsidies to support such people may have to be expanded if they lose their jobs.""


http://www.economist.com/node/16591088
 
To add to the discussion I saw this in an article Desh posted from The Economist on Hong Kong employing a minimum wage.


""Secondary consequences are inevitable. Miriam Lau, a Liberal member of the legislature, says that even at HK$24 an hour, the minimum wage would cost 30,000 jobs, or 1% of the workforce. At HK$32, 170,000 jobs would go, doubling unemployment. Young people and immigrants from China, who are scooped by the territory's abundant restaurants, building sites and cleaning and delivery businesses, would be the likeliest to be out of work. Such industries also employ disabled and older workers on low pay. Subsidies to support such people may have to be expanded if they lose their jobs.""


http://www.economist.com/node/16591088


The employment effects of increases in the minimum wage are hardly clear at all. The economic literature is ambiguous at best. Not sure if the same is true of the introduction of a minimum wage, but I'd be surprised if there was anything approaching consensus amongst economists on those figures.
 
Businesses are just bluffing. 9 dollars an hour will not break them. They wont lay them off because none of those fat cats will get in there and serve fries themselves, and the public will only pay a certain amount for fast food. It will cut into profits, and thats just fine. People matter.

Your right, nine bucks won't break them.....it will lower profits for them, for the investors, including maybe your own IRA or 401k ....
It will raise the price of whatever they are selling and they will look for ways to cut costs, either through labor or quality or services....
It WILL have a effect....maybe less expansion of new locations, etc.....it will not go unnoticed....but they will survive....

thats the attitude that causes cities to go bankrupt....just give a little raise here and there....just raise the retirement benefits a little more....just raise taxes a little more...
just give one more holiday....just hire a few more workers, etc.....
 
The employment effects of increases in the minimum wage are hardly clear at all. The economic literature is ambiguous at best. Not sure if the same is true of the introduction of a minimum wage, but I'd be surprised if there was anything approaching consensus amongst economists on those figures.


Many entry level jobs pay MORE than the legal min. wage right now...so raising it a nominal amount will not be the end of the world. Its a political ploy....like most
progressive demands.....
 
To add to the discussion I saw this in an article Desh posted from The Economist on Hong Kong employing a minimum wage.


""Secondary consequences are inevitable. Miriam Lau, a Liberal member of the legislature, says that even at HK$24 an hour, the minimum wage would cost 30,000 jobs, or 1% of the workforce. At HK$32, 170,000 jobs would go, doubling unemployment. Young people and immigrants from China, who are scooped by the territory's abundant restaurants, building sites and cleaning and delivery businesses, would be the likeliest to be out of work. Such industries also employ disabled and older workers on low pay. Subsidies to support such people may have to be expanded if they lose their jobs.""


http://www.economist.com/node/16591088


And all those that become unemployed will just be added to welfare, disability, and food stamp roles to become more of a burden on the dwindling number of real taxpayers....
Exactly like Obama/Progressive/Liberal game plan calls for....more of the same.
 
business WILL pay the employees according to the value the business places on that employee

Exactly. Which is why we need wages to be set by individuals outside of a corporation's management. See, as you point out, the pay of an employee is based on the decisions of this said corporation - not on the value of the employee, or how much they need to live on. There are factors that effect this, like how much the other guy is paying (and how many positions they have open), but wages, for whatever reason, have ended up far below the value of labor. This is a gross failure of markets; and it leads to the conclusion that markets stand outside of the Smithian ideal, thusly needing to be controlled by alternate forces.
 
Exactly. Which is why we need wages to be set by individuals outside of a corporation's management. See, as you point out, the pay of an employee is based on the decisions of this said corporation - not on the value of the employee, or how much they need to live on. There are factors that effect this, like how much the other guy is paying (and how many positions they have open), but wages, for whatever reason, have ended up far below the value of labor. This is a gross failure of markets; and it leads to the conclusion that markets stand outside of the Smithian ideal, thusly needing to be controlled by alternate forces.


More progressive thinking in reverse of reality.....

The corporations don't exist to give YOU what you think you need to live on....they do not exist for your benefit....

YOU work for the benefit of the business.....the same as it YOU OWNED the business.
The pizza shop don't make pizzas so you won't starve, they make pizzas in order to make a profit....
The phone company don't exist for your convenience....they exist to make money over and above what is costs to provide you with something you value....
Wages are set by what you bring to the corporation....if you bring something of little value, thats what you will earn, little

Wages, cannot by definition, end up far below the value of labor.......wages ARE the value of labor at any given point in time....
 
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The Right Wing thinks we need to compete with other Countries. Meaning, if you take a country that pays their people the least, has the least work environment standards, no age standards, no maximum hours standards (etc etc), they think we need to compete with that Country. Taking away the life style many Americans died or worked hard for. In an attempt to compete with a 3rd world Country, we would become one...

I'm torn on minimum wage. It hurts small business. But big Corporations are monopolizing industries and paying their workers breadcrumbs over minimum wage. Such as Wal-Mart. But I think that Unions could fight for higher wages at places like Wal-Mart and keep minimum wage lower so small business are more apt to hire more workers. Otherwise small business will probably cut workers and end up taking on the workload themselves. Opinion.
 
More progressive thinking in reverse of reality.....

The corporations don't exist to give YOU what you think you need to love on....they do not exist for your benefit....

YOU work for the benefit of the business.....the same as it YOU OWNED the business.
The pizza shop don't make pizzas so you won't starve, they make pizzas in order to make a profit....
The phone company don't exist for your convenience....they exist to make money over and above what is costs to provide you with something you value....
Wages are set by what you bring to the corporation....if you bring something of little value, thats what you will earn, little

Wages, cannot by definition, end up far below the value of labor.......wages ARE the value of labor at any given point in time....

Corporations proved what they are willing to stoop to during the Great Depression. People like you are fighting hard for another one.
 
Your right, nine bucks won't break them.....it will lower profits for them, for the investors, including maybe your own IRA or 401k ....
It will raise the price of whatever they are selling and they will look for ways to cut costs, either through labor or quality or services....
It WILL have a effect....maybe less expansion of new locations, etc.....it will not go unnoticed....but they will survive....

thats the attitude that causes cities to go bankrupt....just give a little raise here and there....just raise the retirement benefits a little more....just raise taxes a little more...
just give one more holiday....just hire a few more workers, etc.....

Smart owners will allow it to come out of profits before letting it effect service or quality. This is the attitude that allows the creation of an economy that functions.
 
Smart owners will allow it to come out of profits before letting it effect service or quality. This is the attitude that allows the creation of an economy that functions.

Really ? Ya think ?.....Are you old enough to remember the state of US autos right before the Influx of foreign made cars ?....They sucked and were getting worse
by the day....and at the same time, the UAW was demanding and getting higher wages and benefits for less and less work....workers that didn't give a shit
about the quality of their work and were UN-fireable because of the strength of the UAW.....(like todays gov. workers)
It was the customers that went in droves to Japanese autos that made them finally make a better car....so its happened before and will no doubt happen again.
 
Really ? Ya think ?.....Are you old enough to remember the state of US autos right before the Influx of foreign made cars ?....They sucked and were getting worse
by the day....and at the same time, the UAW was demanding and getting higher wages and benefits for less and less work....workers that didn't give a shit
about the quality of their work and were UN-fireable because of the strength of the UAW.....(like todays gov. workers)
It was the customers that went in droves to Japanese autos that made them finally make a better car....so its happened before and will no doubt happen again.

Yes. I do think. Foreign owned fast food is not vastly better. Your metaphor sucks ass.
 
More progressive thinking in reverse of reality.....

The corporations don't exist to give YOU what you think you need to love on....they do not exist for your benefit....

YOU work for the benefit of the business.....the same as it YOU OWNED the business.
The pizza shop don't make pizzas so you won't starve, they make pizzas in order to make a profit....
The phone company don't exist for your convenience....they exist to make money over and above what is costs to provide you with something you value....
Wages are set by what you bring to the corporation....if you bring something of little value, thats what you will earn, little

Wages, cannot by definition, end up far below the value of labor.......wages ARE the value of labor at any given point in time....

That's nonsense. Because employers, nonproductive earners of income, exist, wages are always below the value of labor. Also, we've seen a massive uptick in productivity (value), while wages have stagnated.

And on to your next point: Yes, you are correct. But the corporation's lack of value to the population isn't justification for its existence. No, much to the contrary, it serves to tell us how fruitful it'd be to simply abolish it.
 
To add to the discussion I saw this in an article Desh posted from The Economist on Hong Kong employing a minimum wage.


""Secondary consequences are inevitable. Miriam Lau, a Liberal member of the legislature, says that even at HK$24 an hour, the minimum wage would cost 30,000 jobs, or 1% of the workforce. At HK$32, 170,000 jobs would go, doubling unemployment. Young people and immigrants from China, who are scooped by the territory's abundant restaurants, building sites and cleaning and delivery businesses, would be the likeliest to be out of work. Such industries also employ disabled and older workers on low pay. Subsidies to support such people may have to be expanded if they lose their jobs.""


http://www.economist.com/node/16591088


So? Do you believe everything you read?
 
I'll admit that maybe there's a time or a place where people have been or can be overpaid due to excessive union power. Fast food restaurants today ain't it. The slippery slope arguments of the neocon antihumans are laughable.
 
The Right Wing thinks we need to compete with other Countries. Meaning, if you take a country that pays their people the least, has the least work environment standards, no age standards, no maximum hours standards (etc etc), they think we need to compete with that Country. Taking away the life style many Americans died or worked hard for. In an attempt to compete with a 3rd world Country, we would become one...

I'm torn on minimum wage. It hurts small business. But big Corporations are monopolizing industries and paying their workers breadcrumbs over minimum wage. Such as Wal-Mart. But I think that Unions could fight for higher wages at places like Wal-Mart and keep minimum wage lower so small business are more apt to hire more workers. Otherwise small business will probably cut workers and end up taking on the workload themselves. Opinion.


The Right Wing thinks we need to compete with other Countries. ?.....Really ?.....Don't you ?

Its not 1492 or 1939 or whatever.....we are competing with other countries....autos, tv's, cellphones, oranges, apples and computers come from ALL OVER the world.
Do you have your head up your ass....ifs its only the right wing that thinks that, then its only the right wing that is living in todays reality.....any law that stifles
freedom is hurting someone...actually everyone.....social engineering hurts everyone...every law that limits your constitutional freedoms hurts everyone....
 
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