Inequality In U.S. Is Scarily High, Rising (INFOGRAPHIC)

Superfreak said:
You are quite the idiot. My posts are the same regardless of gender. I talk to Dung and Lorax and others on the left in the same manner as I do the women on the left. Yet you morons pretend that it is because of gender. I didn't say sexism doesn't exist. But if I am treating men and women in the same manner, how is it that you claim I am treating women differently? Or is it that you all want me to treat you differently because you are women?
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DQ seems to feel that, though you are admittedly an asshole to everyone (that's been stipulated Sf, you don't have to keep pleading your case on that), you are more of an asshole to women.

I am curious girl so I have been trying to figure out why he might think that...do you have any idea why?
 
Superfreak said:
Because each of you has acknowledged the fact that I treat the men in the same manner. An idiotic comment is just that... regardless of what gender the person is that said it. Yet she consistently tries to make it about gender.
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Um, no, I didn't "admit" it ... I said you might be just as obnoxious, but I didn't know.

Darla then pointed out how another poster said "basically SF is a big asshole to everyone, but he even moreso to women."

So we didn't say you treat men the same as women.

Re minimum wage - right now, it can be raised without raising prices. Will prices be raised down the road? hard to tell, the future is. In general, prices do go up - not just because of minimum wage being higher, but because commodity prices go up, CEO salaries go up, all sorts of costs go up. So without raising minimum wage, poor people end up being even poorer.

Raising the minimum wage to close to $11 isn't going to cause some kind of big price increase in our economy. So you saying "So if they in turn raise prices, then the purchasing power of the minimum wage increase you just gave low income workers is back to where it was. That is the point. You don't get additional purchasing power from an increase in the minimum wage. All you do is increase the wage scale across the board." is a false strawman.

Raising the minimum wage isn't going to give those of us not making minimum wage a salary increase.

So let's see - we can raise minimum wage; poor people will have more to spend, which helps the economy; some of them may stop using some of the safety programs, which helps the economy; and down the road, when prices go higher, they will be slightly less likely to starve.

Or we can leave it where it is...leave them on safety programs... and when prices go up, they will go further into poverty.
 
tekkychick said:
Um, no, I didn't "admit" it ... I said you might be just as obnoxious, but I didn't know.

Darla then pointed out how another poster said "basically SF is a big asshole to everyone, but he even moreso to women."

So we didn't say you treat men the same as women.

Re minimum wage - right now, it can be raised without raising prices. Will prices be raised down the road? hard to tell, the future is. In general, prices do go up - not just because of minimum wage being higher, but because commodity prices go up, CEO salaries go up, all sorts of costs go up. So without raising minimum wage, poor people end up being even poorer.

Raising the minimum wage to close to $11 isn't going to cause some kind of big price increase in our economy. So you saying "So if they in turn raise prices, then the purchasing power of the minimum wage increase you just gave low income workers is back to where it was. That is the point. You don't get additional purchasing power from an increase in the minimum wage. All you do is increase the wage scale across the board." is a false strawman.

Raising the minimum wage isn't going to give those of us not making minimum wage a salary increase.

So let's see - we can raise minimum wage; poor people will have more to spend, which helps the economy; some of them may stop using some of the safety programs, which helps the economy; and down the road, when prices go higher, they will be slightly less likely to starve.

Or we can leave it where it is...leave them on safety programs... and when prices go up, they will go further into poverty.
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Has the past increases in minimum wage changed the purchasing power of those on it? No.

What good does it do to simply change the wage scale if people aren't going to see greater purchasing power as a result?

If your salary or wage is 4 times minimum wage because you have a much greater skill set, you aren't going to ask for more as a result of an increase? Because that goes against the norm of what we have seen in the past.

LOL... again, if you raise the minimum wage, that increase is going to be reflected in the costs of goods and services. If a retailer was paying minimum wage of $8 and then it was raised to $10, do you think that $2/hr is going to come from the profit margin or do you think the retailer is going to raise prices to cover that increase in cost?
 
Steelplate said:
OK Rose....I'll bite....although I may be in bed and have to respond tomorrow.....what's your solution? A Communist America? If so....tell.me how America would not befall the fates of other major Communist governments before....totalitarianism, massive human rights violations, and STY's worst nightmare as far as a police state?
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Well, to answer that question, I have to make a few things clear. So, first, I'm a revisionist. To be exact, I'm not the kind of communist that refuses to accept the standard narrative it poses. I'm more like the later Marx, who Michael Harrington described as some form of "democratic socialist".

On the topic of the fate of communism? That was for economic reasons, not inherent to communism itself. To be concise, communism failed because it was tried in countries that weren't ready to facilitate it. Lenin and the Mensheviks knew this; they knew that some measures had to be taken in order to lay the ground for a new society. Gramsci and Kautsky discussed why the socialists of Russia (which is easily the most important revolution, to date) failed. Gramsci's theory was that the struggle must not only be for economic change, but also for cultural change - i.e. they had also to fight for hegemony and consent. Kautsky, however, was more in line with the traditional Marxists. He believed that, at that time, the economic conditions (an industrial economy) were not present, and had to be created through capitalism. This led him to advocate temporary capitalism in Russia.

But neither of these things happened. Instead, Stalin, using his utterly right-wing policies, forced the development of the economy. Totalitarianism was a word first used to describe the society that resulted from Stalinism.

So we need to look at history and recognize the failure of communism. There are distinct reasons behind that failure - and we need to thusly rethink our ideology, to prevent another such failure,.
 
evince said:
the energy companies were given what they wanted by the right and then did what they wanted to do so they could make more money.


You were NEVER like me so don't flatter yourself
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Who was in charge of the California legislature? Were there no democrats that could stop it? Yes, I was like you in that I played "my side is better than your side". You won't ever criticize democrats and that is unfortunate because it blinds you to what is going on around you.
 
cawacko said:
They don't mention it in your article but going forward Obamacare is going to contribute to part-time jobs growing as companies look for ways to avoid the health care act's burdens on them.
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employers have been looking for ways to avoid paying any benefits to 'temp' workers for a long time and take advantage of economic downturns to help their bottom line.
 
tekkychick said:
I don't have a problem with states going higher than the federal minimum wage. That already happens.

ILA - If the minimum wage had kept up with inflation, it would now be $10.71 instead of the $7.25 that it is. So there's a number for you. At least $10.71 an hour. http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/facts/

And if states push it higher - or cities set living wage standards higher - based on local conditions, that's ok by me.

SF, not too worried about inflation spiraling out of control; companies are sitting on a lot of money right now, they can afford to pay their lowest paid workers a bit more.

In terms of young people being the main ones on minimum wage - they're about half of them

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2011.htm
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OK, so you want to raise it to $10.71 an hour. That comes to $22,276 a year. Now, the poverty guidelines per the federal gobblement for 2013 is $23,550. So you aren't even bringing them out of poverty. You really think that is compassionate on your part? Why do you only nibble around the edges? Why not just raise it to a level that takes them squarely into the middle class? Why not raise it to $25.00/hour? What is wrong with that? Why not actually solve the problem.

No offense, but your offer is like pissing in the ocean.
 
tekkychick said:
Um, no, I didn't "admit" it ... I said you might be just as obnoxious, but I didn't know.

Darla then pointed out how another poster said "basically SF is a big asshole to everyone, but he even moreso to women."

So we didn't say you treat men the same as women.

Re minimum wage - right now, it can be raised without raising prices. Will prices be raised down the road? hard to tell, the future is. In general, prices do go up - not just because of minimum wage being higher, but because commodity prices go up, CEO salaries go up, all sorts of costs go up. So without raising minimum wage, poor people end up being even poorer.

Raising the minimum wage to close to $11 isn't going to cause some kind of big price increase in our economy. So you saying "So if they in turn raise prices, then the purchasing power of the minimum wage increase you just gave low income workers is back to where it was. That is the point. You don't get additional purchasing power from an increase in the minimum wage. All you do is increase the wage scale across the board." is a false strawman.

Raising the minimum wage isn't going to give those of us not making minimum wage a salary increase.

So let's see - we can raise minimum wage; poor people will have more to spend, which helps the economy; some of them may stop using some of the safety programs, which helps the economy; and down the road, when prices go higher, they will be slightly less likely to starve.

Or we can leave it where it is...leave them on safety programs... and when prices go up, they will go further into poverty.
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You assume wrongly that every business could absorb an increase in their expenses without passing it on to the consumer. Based on your meager raise to $10.71/hour they aren't even out of poverty. So how much impact do you really expect it to have on the economy? Additionally, you are pulling the money from somewhere else.

Every single time you guys scream for an increase in minimum wage, we warn you that it will lead to an increase in youth unemployment. Well, look at the unemployment rate of the youth right now? You are crippling them with your compassion. Stop it already. They can't take anymore of your compassion
 
Superfreak said:
Has the past increases in minimum wage changed the purchasing power of those on it? No.

What good does it do to simply change the wage scale if people aren't going to see greater purchasing power as a result?

If your salary or wage is 4 times minimum wage because you have a much greater skill set, you aren't going to ask for more as a result of an increase? Because that goes against the norm of what we have seen in the past.

LOL... again, if you raise the minimum wage, that increase is going to be reflected in the costs of goods and services. If a retailer was paying minimum wage of $8 and then it was raised to $10, do you think that $2/hr is going to come from the profit margin or do you think the retailer is going to raise prices to cover that increase in cost?
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proof of this have you? please provide link
 
yeah to hell with all those families that need better pay to be able to spend into the economy more
 
evince said:
yeah to hell with all those families that need better pay to be able to spend into the economy more
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I need more money so I can spend into the economy more. Any chance the government is going to come tell my boss I need to pay raise?
 
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