Court Strikes Down New Hampshire’s Tax-Money-For-Religious-Schools Law

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PostmodernProphet said:
/shrugs.....well look at what a public education provides...assuming you graduated you still think more than a tiny percentage of Christians believe the earth is 6000 years old.....probably a smaller percentage than that of atheists who think all Christians believe the earth is 6000 years old.....thus proving again that on average atheists are dumber than Christians.....
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I never said all. There you go again, imagining things were said that were not. You have serious problems.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/p...stors-lean-toward-young-earth-creation-95751/

A poll commissioned by evangelical Christian group BioLogos found that pastors hold a variety of views when it comes to the origin of life and science, though Young Earth Creation remains the most popular theory.
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Summarizing the numbers, BioLogos says that a slight majority of pastors, or 54 percent, support Young Earth Creationism, 18 percent agree with Theistic Evolution, and 15 percent accept Progressive Creation.

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54% is more than a tiny percentage. Now this is among protestants but they are the majority of Christians in the US.


 
66% say that...Creationism, that is, the idea that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years

...is probably or definitely true.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/Evolution-Creationism-Intelligent-Design.aspx

Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question. About a third of Americans believe that humans evolved, but with God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, but that God had no part in the process.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx

Three in 10 Americans interpret the Bible literally, saying it is the actual word of God. That is similar to what Gallup has measured over the last two decades, but down from the 1970s and 1980s. A 49% plurality of Americans say the Bible is the inspired word of God but that it should not be taken literally, consistently the most common view in Gallup's nearly 40-year history of this question. Another 17% consider the Bible an ancient book of stories recorded by man.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148427/say-bible-literally.aspx
 
Oh an btw, the school that gave the science quiz... you would think that would have hurt them but their financial situation improved as a result. Apparently, there are lots of right wing morons that want to make sure their kids grow up stupid. I am honestly shocked by it. I thought market forces would conspire with most people wanting their kids to have the best so that they can succeed to eliminate such silliness. But, apparently, many would rather their kids soothe them by agreeing with their idiotic notions.
 
cawacko said:
We've seen what spending more money on public schools have done. Nothing. I grew up in Oakland. I saw plenty of poor minority kids go to failing schools because they have no other option while rich kids go to any school they choose while their parents argue against school choice. So I saw this in general, not as a direct attack at you tekkychick, but it's anti-religion bullshit over giving poor minority students.
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So many ways to discuss this.

Are there bad public schools in our country? Absolutely. And there are wonderful ones. And there are middle-of-road-ones. We need to work on continuing to improve the bad ones, while not undercutting the good ones by removing money from them.

Our free public schools is one of the foundations of our country; they've worked well for us. Get rid of them, and you end up with a lot of inequality, where only rich kids learn to read. I know you're saying "no, don't get rid of them - just add the voucher option" but over time, this will lead to school only if you can afford it.

Are there great private schools? Sure! let's send everyone to The Athenian in the bay area - it's only $26K+ for middle school; $33K plus for high school. Will the vouchers cover that? I DON'T THINK SO. oh and they don't have room for everyone anyway. Public schools have to make room for everyone. Private schools don't.

Let's talk about these religious schools. Why should my tax dollars go to pay a Catholic school - that doesn't pay taxes - to teach kids about the Catholic religion? I wouldn't want my taxes going to a Madrasa either.

If a religious school DOES get tax money from vouchers - it damn well better follow state guidelines in education. That means no creationism; real science; no proselytizing. What religious school would want that kind of interference with its curriculum?

Let's keep working on improving the public schools. Charter schools aren't any better than public schools, overall. If we start using vouchers to send kids to private schools, I can just imagine the corporate greed that will start arising around that...
 
Professor Baxter said:
Oh an btw, the school that gave the science quiz... you would think that would have hurt them but their financial situation improved as a result. Apparently, there are lots of right wing morons that want to make sure their kids grow up stupid. I am honestly shocked by it. I thought market forces would conspire with most people wanting their kids to have the best so that they can succeed to eliminate such silliness. But, apparently, many would rather their kids soothe them by agreeing with their idiotic notions.
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Well maybe if you consider they want Christian schools to be easier!
History is a nursery rhyme and science is a tuning fork, then the college connections get them the job!
Ie great job brownie
Dude was a horse breeder
 
libtards don't want kids educated. they want them stupid and uninformed. better to make them loyal voters.

nothing suits the libtards better than fellow low information voters, that is why they need to perpetuate the failing public school system. all the while bemoaning a "lack of funding". the truth is we have spent far more on public education than is necessary. it never goes to the children. it goes to the scum sucking teachers unions which in turn feed it back to the democrat party.

the democrat party is using children as a shield for their money laundering schemes. they are really no better than al queda terrorists using children as human shields
 
Informed about what Jesus cartoons.
Don't you have a tread to start banning liberal!
Only way u can debate.
In your klan meeting
 
Professor Baxter said:
I never said all. There you go again, imagining things were said that were not. You have serious problems.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/p...stors-lean-toward-young-earth-creation-95751/

A poll commissioned by evangelical Christian group BioLogos found that pastors hold a variety of views when it comes to the origin of life and science, though Young Earth Creation remains the most popular theory.
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Summarizing the numbers, BioLogos says that a slight majority of pastors, or 54 percent, support Young Earth Creationism, 18 percent agree with Theistic Evolution, and 15 percent accept Progressive Creation.

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54% is more than a tiny percentage. Now this is among protestants but they are the majority of Christians in the US.
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lol......from your link....
According to the poll, 19 percent of Protestant pastors expressed certainty that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and that God created life in its present form in six 24-hour days. Thirty-five percent said while they believe that God created life in its present form in six 24-hour days, they express qualified certainty, or doubt the "young" age of the Earth.
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apparently, since you think 19% = 54% you again demonstrate your are not as smart as most Christians........
 
Professor Baxter said:
66% say that...Creationism, that is, the idea that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years

...is probably or definitely true.
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another atheist who can't read.....three options avaiable.....two state that humans evolved, one that they were created......the question.....pick the one CLOSEST to what you believe......most Christians select the one that says humans were created not evolved........dimwitted atheists try to pretend that this proves most Christians are young earthers.......

what it actually proves is that again, you aren't as smart as most Christians......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
another atheist who can't read.....three options avaiable.....two state that humans evolved, one that they were created......the question.....pick the one CLOSEST to what you believe......most Christians select the one that says humans were created not evolved........dimwitted atheists try to pretend that this proves most Christians are young earthers.......

what it actually proves is that again, you aren't as smart as most Christians......
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Another, theist that can't do basic math or read. No, that is not what was indicated by the poll. The questions were asked independently. This is easy to prove in multiple ways and quite obvious to anyone that is not a complete moron. You add up the "definitely/probably true" numbers...

A. Evolution, that is, the idea that human beings developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life


18% definitely... 35% probably

Plus

B. Creationism, that is, the idea that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years

39% definitely... 27% probably

Equals 119%.

Or you can add up the percentages of each group.

A.
18%
35
16
28
3
=
100%


B.
39%
27
16
15
3
=
100%


You are very very very very stupid. How many times are you going to try to go for a gotcha on me and have it blow up in your face, before you recognize you need to check yourself.
 
cawacko said:
I went to a catholic high school. I'm not Catholic and I don't give a shit about religion. It's about opportunity for kids who don't have one otherwise.
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So if we allow tax payer funds to go to religious schools, do we allow them to go to Christian Identity Schools that teach whites are superior? Do we allow them to go to private Muslim Schools? Luciferian? Satanic? Any refusal to allow schools like this to get the same tax money would violate equal protection and the first amendment establishment clause. I don't want my tax money to pay for any religious instruction, either private or public. I am ok with a voucher system that gives back the exact amount of money percentage wise that came from an individual's taxes and went to public schools. Because we distribute that burden among parents and non-parents, the amount per tax payer is very low. So low they could not pay for private schooling.

It is unfortunate that rich kids get to go to better schools than poor kids. They also get better health care, are transported in safer cars and probably have access to better food, whether they eat it or not. I find it curious that you are not advocating for tax moneys to go to poor kids for these things as well.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/shrugs.....well look at what a public education provides...assuming you graduated you still think more than a tiny percentage of Christians believe the earth is 6000 years old.....probably a smaller percentage than that of atheists who think all Christians believe the earth is 6000 years old.....thus proving again that on average atheists are dumber than Christians.....
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Poll on what Christians believe about the age of the earth, done by a Christian website. http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/5143890.html
 
cawacko said:
Let's see one could go to a failing inner-city public school or a far better private school. What would you choose? Yes, kids should stay in failing schools because one school teachers the earth is 6,000 years old. Glad to see your anti-religious beliefs are more important than giving young kids the opportunity of a lifetime.
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OH and that would never ever be abused and there would never ever be any descrimination against non-believing students nor would they never, ever think of proselytizing students.

Try laying that BS on someone else Wacko. I've experienced first hand what happens when you permit religion into our public education system and it aint pretty.
 
Professor Baxter said:
Another, theist that can't do basic math or read. No, that is not what was indicated by the poll. The questions were asked independently.
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so tell me, which of these three options is closest to what you believe....
1) God created human beings with no involvement of the process of evolution
2) God created human beings yesterday
3) Human beings evolved and have been in existence in their current form since 10 billion B.C. at which time they built the pyramids.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so tell me, which of these three options is closest to what you believe....
1) God created human beings with no involvement of the process of evolution
2) God created human beings yesterday
3) Human beings evolved and have been in existence in their current form since 10 billion B.C. at which time they built the pyramids.
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Those were not the three "options," moron. Apparently, you are too stupid/dishonest to maintain a discussion in context. You screwed up and quoted a point made in reference to a different poll, but you are still wrong.

15% said God played no part in the process of human creation. How many of those do you think are believers? My guess, is less than 1%. 46% said God created humans in their present form less than 10000 years ago, 32% said God guided the evolutionary process. Let's go ahead and assume the other 7% (unaccounted) are believers. That still means over half of the believers stated that God created humans in their present form less than 10,000 years ago. That absolutely implies young earth creationism. But it is not even close to the only thing I supplied in countering your ridiculous assertion that only a TINY percentage believe in young earth creationism.

You are a dishonest fool who desperately attempts to make the data fit your unsupported assertions.
 
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