8x more likely to be killed by police than by terrorists

http://www.cato.org/blog/youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-killed-police-officer-terrorist

In case it needs saying: Police officers are unlike terrorists in almost all respects. Crucially, the goal of the former, in their vastest majority, is to have a stable, peaceful, safe, law-abiding society, which is a goal we all share. The goal of the latter is … well, it’s complicated. I’ve cited my favorite expert on that, Audrey Kurth Cronin, here and here and here. Needless to say, the goal of terrorists is not that peaceful, safe, stable society.

I picked up the statistic from a blog post called: “Fear of Terror Makes People Stupid,” which in turn cites the National Safety Council for this and lots of other numbers reflecting likelihoods of dying from various causes. So dispute the number(s) with them, if you care to.

I take it as a given that your mileage may vary. If you dwell in the suburbs or a rural area, and especially if you’re wealthy, white, and well-spoken, your likelihood of death from these two sources probably converges somewhat (at very close to zero).

The point of the quote is to focus people on sources of mortality society-wide, because this focus can guide public policy efforts at reducing death. (Thus, the number is not a product of the base rate fallacy.) In my opinion, too many people are still transfixed by terrorism despite the collapse of Al Qaeda over the last decade and the quite manageable—indeed, the quite well-managed—danger that terrorism presents our society today.

If you want to indulge your fears and prioritize terrorism, you’ll have plenty of help, and neither this blog post nor any other appeal to reason or statistics is likely to convince you. Among the John Mueller articles I would recommend, though, is “Witches, Communists, and Terrorists: Evaluating the Risks and Tallying the Costs” (with Mark Stewart).

If one wants to be clinical about what things reduce death to Americans, one should ask why police officers are such a significant source of danger. I have some ideas.

Cato’s work on the War on Drugs shows how it produces danger to the public and law enforcement both, not to mention loss of privacy and civil liberties, disrespect for law enforcement, disregard of the rule of law, and so on. Is the sum total of mortality and morbidity reduced or increased by the War on Drugs? I don’t know to say. But the War on Drugs certainly increases the danger to innocent people (including law enforcement personnel), where drug legalization would allow harm to naturally concentrate on the people who choose unwisely to use drugs.

The militarization of law enforcement probably contributes to the danger. Cato’s Botched Paramilitary Police Raids map illustrates the problem of over-aggressive policing. Cato alum Radley Balko now documents these issues at the Huffington Post. Try out his “Cop or Soldier?” quiz.

There are some bad apples in the police officer barrel. Given the power that law enforcement personnel have—up to and including the power to kill—I’m not satisfied that standards of professionalism are up to snuff. You can follow the Cato Institute’s National Police Misconduct Reporting Project on Twitter at @NPMRP.

If the provocative statistic cited above got your attention, that’s good. If it adds a little more to your efforts at producing a safe, stable, peaceful, and free society, all the better.
 
10,000 gun murders a year!
4x more likely
to be murdered in USA vs Europe
 
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I picked up the statistic from a blog post called: “Fear of Terror Makes People Stupid,” which in turn cites the National Safety Council for this and lots of other numbers reflecting likelihoods of dying from various causes. So dispute the number(s) with them, if you care to.

I wonder what happens to the numbers if you delete those killed while firing upon police officers during the commission of a crime......
 
I wonder what happens to the numbers if you delete those killed while firing upon police officers during the commission of a crime......

2004 National Safety Council report, the National Center for Health Statistics, the U.S. Census Bureau, and 2003 mortality data from the Center for Disease Control

feel free to look them up but I hardly think that they would include those kinds of incidents
 
I hardly think that they would include those kinds of incidents

are you kidding?....in writing an editorial that would attract a reader with your assumptions I would be more surprised if they DIDN'T include those type of incidents.....anything to make it look more likely that cops are out to murder innocent civilians.......
 
are you kidding?....in writing an editorial that would attract a reader with your assumptions I would be more surprised if they DIDN'T include those type of incidents.....anything to make it look more likely that cops are out to murder innocent civilians.......
I have never once made it out to look like cops INTEND to kill innocent civilians, my goal is to wake your foolish ass up and see that they suffer almost no consequences when they do kill innocent civilians
 
I have never once made it out to look like cops INTEND to kill innocent civilians, my goal is to wake your foolish ass up and see that they suffer almost no consequences when they do kill innocent civilians

and here I sat suspecting you were trying to make it look like cops were eight times more dangerous than terrorists......where on earth would I ever have come up with that suspicion......
 
and here I sat suspecting you were trying to make it look like cops were eight times more dangerous than terrorists......where on earth would I ever have come up with that suspicion......
the ARTICLE, based on the STATISTICS, says that you're eight times more LIKELY to be killed by a cop than a terrorist. NOTHING was said about them being more dangerous than a terrorist, though that argument can also be made since BY LAW/POLICY the police are allowed to use all appropriate levels of force to effect arrests, which means they can kill you if they can deem it necessary.
 
though that argument can also be made since BY LAW/POLICY the police are allowed to use all appropriate levels of force to effect arrests, which means they can kill you if they can deem it necessary.

so the argument could be made, but making it was the farthest thing from your mind at the time you posted.......
 
I have never once made it out to look like cops INTEND to kill innocent civilians, my goal is to wake your foolish ass up and see that they suffer almost no consequences when they do kill innocent civilians


Right...that's why you've dwelt on two or three specific comments I've made about the police.

Because you're all about being even handed when it comes to cops and shootings.
 
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