Treasury to sell 50M shares of GM stock,Taxpayers Lose $10 Billion…


Don't have to. The country was losing about a trillion a month at that point. GM tanking would have been worse than any news up to that point, and would have crashed the market further.

If you think $10 billion is a lot compared to that, you are somewhat mathematically challenged.
 
Yet the company ended up in BK anyway. To pretend that it couldn't have done the same thing without the government money is a bit ridiculous.


When the decidedly conservative The Economist (you guys quote it all the time), decides to apologize to the President, you know he did something right.

An apology is due to Barack Obama: his takeover of GM could have gone horribly wrong, but it has not
Aug 19th 2010 |From the print edition


AMERICANS expect much from their president, but they do not think he should run car companies. Fortunately, Barack Obama agrees. This week the American government moved closer to getting rid of its stake in General Motors (GM) when the recently ex-bankrupt firm filed to offer its shares once more to the public (see article).

Once a symbol of American prosperity, GM collapsed into the government's arms last summer. Years of poor management and grabby unions had left it in wretched shape. Efforts to reform came too late. When the recession hit, demand for cars plummeted. GM was on the verge of running out of cash when Uncle Sam intervened, throwing the firm a lifeline of $50 billion in exchange for 61% of its shares.

Many people thought this bail-out (and a smaller one involving Chrysler, an even sicker firm) unwise. Governments have historically been lousy stewards of industry. Lovers of free markets (including The Economist) feared that Mr Obama might use GM as a political tool: perhaps favouring the unions who donate to Democrats or forcing the firm to build smaller, greener cars than consumers want to buy. The label “Government Motors” quickly stuck, evoking images of clunky committee-built cars that burned banknotes instead of petrol—all run by what Sarah Palin might call the socialist-in-chief.

Yet the doomsayers were wrong. Unlike, say, France's President Nicolas Sarkozy, who used public funds to support Renault and Peugeot-Citroën on condition that they did not close factories in France, Mr Obama has been tough from the start. GM had to promise to slim down dramatically—cutting jobs, shuttering factories and shedding brands—to win its lifeline. The firm was forced to declare bankruptcy. Shareholders were wiped out. Top managers were swept aside. Unions did win some special favours: when Chrysler was divided among its creditors, for example, a union health fund did far better than secured bondholders whose claims should have been senior. Congress has put pressure on GM to build new models in America rather than Asia, and to keep open dealerships in certain electoral districts. But by and large Mr Obama has not used his stakes in GM and Chrysler for political ends. On the contrary, his goal has been to restore both firms to health and then get out as quickly as possible. GM is now profitable again and Chrysler, managed by Fiat, is making progress. Taxpayers might even turn a profit when GM is sold.

So was the auto bail-out a success? It is hard to be sure. Had the government not stepped in, GM might have restructured under normal bankruptcy procedures, without putting public money at risk. Many observers think this unlikely, however. Given the panic that gripped private purse-strings last year, it is more likely that GM would have been liquidated, sending a cascade of destruction through the supply chain on which its rivals, too, depended. As for moral hazard, the expectation of future bail-outs may prompt managers and unions in other industries to behave rashly. But all the stakeholders suffered during GM's bankruptcy, so this effect may be small.
 
Don't have to. The country was losing about a trillion a month at that point. GM tanking would have been worse than any news up to that point, and would have crashed the market further.

If you think $10 billion is a lot compared to that, you are somewhat mathematically challenged.

So you can't prove. Thought so. GM went bankrupt which they could have done without taxpayer money.
The entire thing was a scam to enrich unions. The taxpayer, the bond holders and dealerships all got fucked in the deal
 
So you can't prove. Thought so. GM went bankrupt which they could have done without taxpayer money.
The entire thing was a scam to enrich unions. The taxpayer, the bond holders and dealerships all got fucked in the deal

If you think GM could have gone bankrupt at that time without extreme negative consequences for the economy, you're pretty dopey.

It was cheap for taxpayers, compared to the alternative. Dirt cheap.

Seriously, though - economics ain't a strong suit for you. Stick to race baiting.
 
If you think GM could have gone bankrupt at that time without extreme negative consequences for the economy, you're pretty dopey.

It was cheap for taxpayers, compared to the alternative. Dirt cheap.

Seriously, though - economics ain't a strong suit for you. Stick to race baiting.

True or False. Did GM go through bankruptcy?
 
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