Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars'

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/biblical-marriage-iowa-scholars-op-ed_n_3397304.html


The Bible's definition of marriage can be confusing and contradictory, noted the scholars. They stated in their column that a primary example of this is the religious book's stance on polygamy, a practice that was embraced by prominent biblical figures Abraham and David. Furthermore, Avalos, Cargill and Atkinson point out that various Bible passages mention not only traditional monogamy, but also self-induced castration and celibacy, as well as the practice of wedding rape victims to their rapists.....Ultimately, said Cargill, a Biblical "argument against same-sex marriage is wholly unsustainable. We all know this, but very few scholars are talking about it, because they don't want to take the heat."
Cargill said Bachman and her like-minded colleagues use a strategy he calls "cherry picking" to appeal to their base.

"Politicians who use the Bible aren't necessarily interested in the truth or the complexity of the Bible," he said. "They are looking for one ancient sound bite to convince people what they already believe."

Anyone who argues that "the Bible speaks plainly on one issue, especially something as complicated as marriage ... haven't take the time to read all of it," he added.







Oooops. That's not going to go down too well with the board "fake Christians". LOL.
 
Homosexual conduct has nothing to do with the subject of marriage.

He says "The Bible's definition of marriage can be confusing and contradictory,' but gives nothing on what he thinks the bibles definition of marriage is....

he just goes on with various issues on sexual conduct....castration, celibacy, rape, polygamy, traditional monogamy

all of which have to do with sex and nothing to do with marriage.....
 
NOVA said:
Homosexual conduct has nothing to do with the subject of marriage.

He says "The Bible's definition of marriage can be confusing and contradictory,' but gives nothing on what he thinks the bibles definition of marriage is....

he just goes on with various issues on sexual conduct....castration, celibacy, rape, polygamy, traditional monogamy

all of which have to do with sex and nothing to do with marriage.....
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He was making a point about cherry picking which IS related to marriage and homosexuality. Monogamy, is obviously related to the one man one woman argument and is central to what Christ said about marriage.


Anyone who argues that "the Bible speaks plainly on one issue, especially something as complicated as marriage ... haven't take the time to read all of it," he added.​


From the Des Moines article...
As academic biblical scholars, we wish to clarify that the biblical texts do not support the frequent claim that marriage between one man and one woman is the only type of marriage deemed acceptable by the Bible’s authors.

The fact that marriage is not defined as only that between one man and one woman is reflected in the entry on “marriage” in the authoritative Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible (2000): “Marriage is one expression of kinship family patterns in which typically a man and at least one woman cohabitate publicly and permanently as a basic social unit” (p. 861).​
 
/shrugs....is it really that hard to find?....
Matthew 19
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/shrugs....is it really that hard to find?....
Matthew 19
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
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Yes, these biblical scholars just are not as intelligent as you are and don't know which passages to cherry pick.

:rolleyes:
Although some may view Jesus’ interpretation of Genesis 2:24 in Matthew 19:3-10 as an endorsement of monogamy, Jesus and other Jewish interpreters conceded that there were also non-monogamous understandings of this passage in ancient Judaism, including those allowing divorce and remarriage.​

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In fact, during a discussion of marriage in Matthew 19:12, Jesus even encourages those who can to castrate themselves “for the kingdom” and live a life of celibacy.​

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Ezra 10:2-11 forbids interracial marriage and orders those people of God who already had foreign wives to divorce them immediately.​


The Bible is a shitty work of philosophy or moral guide, which is sort of expected when you have numerous authors spread over centuries and in a variety of cultures and locations. There is no way to read it but to pick and choose based on your own understanding of morality, which means every Christian suffers basically the flaw they most often attribute to atheism (i.e., lack of a clear and central authority).
 
Professor Baxter said:
In fact, during a discussion of marriage in Matthew 19:12, Jesus even encourages those who can to castrate themselves “for the kingdom” and live a life of celibacy
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even you can't be stupid enough to pretend he told people to castrate themselves.......

Professor Baxter said:
Ezra 10:2-11 forbids interracial marriage and orders those people of God who already had foreign wives to divorce them immediately.
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Jews marrying non-Jews......it had nothing to do with race.....

Professor Baxter said:
Yes, these biblical scholars just are not as intelligent as you are
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its not a question of intelligence.....its a question of honesty.....
 
Professor Baxter said:
He was making a point about cherry picking which IS related to marriage and homosexuality. Monogamy, is obviously related to the one man one woman argument and is central to what Christ said about marriage.

Anyone who argues that "the Bible speaks plainly on one issue, especially something as complicated as marriage ... haven't take the time to read all of it," he added.​


From the Des Moines article...
As academic biblical scholars, we wish to clarify that the biblical texts do not support the frequent claim that marriage between one man and one woman is the only type of marriage deemed acceptable by the Bible’s authors.

And where does it support that traditional marriage is not the only marriage deemed by the Bible ? Just to make the claim means nothing.

The fact that marriage is not defined as only that between one man and one woman is reflected in the entry on “marriage” in the authoritative Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible (2000): “Marriage is one expression of kinship family patterns in which typically a man and at least one woman cohabitate publicly and permanently as a basic social unit” (p. 861).
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According to the quote, thats exactly what is means....family ? 2 men or women cannot produce a family....remember Adam and Eve ?
 
Professor Baxter said:
Yes, these biblical scholars just are not as intelligent as you are and don't know which passages to cherry pick.

:rolleyes:
Although some may view Jesus’ interpretation of Genesis 2:24 in Matthew 19:3-10 as an endorsement of monogamy, Jesus and other Jewish interpreters conceded that there were also non-monogamous understandings of this passage in ancient Judaism, including those allowing divorce and remarriage.​

​
In fact, during a discussion of marriage in Matthew 19:12, Jesus even encourages those who can to castrate themselves “for the kingdom” and live a life of celibacy.​

​
Ezra 10:2-11 forbids interracial marriage and orders those people of God who already had foreign wives to divorce them immediately.​


The Bible is a shitty work of philosophy or moral guide, which is sort of expected when you have numerous authors spread over centuries and in a variety of cultures and locations. There is no way to read it but to pick and choose based on your own understanding of morality, which means every Christian suffers basically the flaw they most often attribute to atheism (i.e., lack of a clear and central authority).
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Monogamous or non-monogamous......castration....celibacy ?........all irrelevant....they have nothing to do with marriage.
 
NOVA said:
According to the quote, thats exactly what is means....family ? 2 men or women cannot produce a family....remember Adam and Eve ?
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Really? people without kids are not a family?

and, ahem, plenty of same sex couples have kids....
 
I Love America said:
Yeah AIDS infested queers raising kids is a problem. I feel sorry for the children. They probably would have been better off being aborted and spared the trauma
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Let me know when you can come to Atlanta. There are a few kids I would like for you to meet. One will only be here another year. He is in his last year of medical school at Emory, and he plans to join Doctors Without Borders. But I sure he could point out some of the flaws in your "...AIDS infested queers raising kids is a problem" idea. The two men who raised him also raised 2 other children. Both of them had health problems so no one else would adopt them. They are both now in college on full academic scholarships, although the boy could have probably gotten a tennis scholarship easily enough.

Or I could take you to Tuscaloosa and let you meet the two lesbians who raised 3 kids. All three graduated from high school with honors. 2 of them have graduated from a major university with honors (one is still attending). 1 of those who graduated managed to earn a Masters degree in engineering in less than two years, while also managing to write a novel. All three have done volunteer work, had no disciplinary problems, and 2 are happily married. They also might help you understand the error of your idea.

But since your ideas are based on hate and not on truth, I doubt you would be willing to meet them.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
even you can't be stupid enough to pretend he told people to castrate themselves.......
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He said if they could accept it they should do it.

PostmodernProphet said:
Jews marrying non-Jews......it had nothing to do with race.....
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No, it was about taking foreign wives.

PostmodernProphet said:
its not a question of intelligence.....its a question of honesty.....
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Exactly, and you are a dishonest liar that relies on cherry picking, half truths and confirmation bias. Witness the fact that the scholars mentioned several references to form the conclusion that it was inconclusive on the subject while you attempt to take one passage in isolation.
 
Cawacko 3:16 says though shall not marry. Unfortunately not enough people follow that verse in the bible.
 
WinterBorn said:
But since your ideas are based on hate and not on truth, I doubt you would be willing to meet them.
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WB, I figure ILA is just trying to get us all to react to him. I plan to just ignore his nasty stuff.

However, I'd love to meet the people you listed! They sound like wonderful families - I wish a reporter would write stories about them!
 
Professor Baxter said:
Yes, these biblical scholars just are not as intelligent as you are and don't know which passages to cherry pick.

:rolleyes:
Although some may view Jesus’ interpretation of Genesis 2:24 in Matthew 19:3-10 as an endorsement of monogamy, Jesus and other Jewish interpreters conceded that there were also non-monogamous understandings of this passage in ancient Judaism, including those allowing divorce and remarriage.​

​
In fact, during a discussion of marriage in Matthew 19:12, Jesus even encourages those who can to castrate themselves “for the kingdom” and live a life of celibacy.​

​
Ezra 10:2-11 forbids interracial marriage and orders those people of God who already had foreign wives to divorce them immediately.​


The Bible is a shitty work of philosophy or moral guide, which is sort of expected when you have numerous authors spread over centuries and in a variety of cultures and locations. There is no way to read it but to pick and choose based on your own understanding of morality, which means every Christian suffers basically the flaw they most often attribute to atheism (i.e., lack of a clear and central authority).
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the christian bible is inconsistent and bites its own tail too often to be treated as a homogeneous work making pronouncements about most anything.
 
Professor Baxter said:
No, that's not according to the quote.
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Well, lets put your two homo's on an island by themselves and see how many kids they produce.....
and I don't mean howey and some lesbian....even that would be unlikey to produce a normal human kid.

Then we'll talk about truth....and nature...
 
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