Gobblement can seize your DNA, according the the Conservatives on the S. Ct.

Being arrested and being "booked" are two different things. You can be arrested and held for 24 hours WITHOUT being finger printed. Interesting if this new wrinkle makes DNA swabbing mandatory on all counts but NOT finger printing.
 
Damocles said:
Are you comfortable with fingerprinting people under arrest?
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The key difference to me, is that fingerprints are on the outside of your body. A DNA swab comes from inside your body. It may sound trivial but to me its key. The Fourth protects us from unreasonable search and seizure. Taking a print of the outside of your finger is much more reasonable than taking a swab from inside your mouth.

Additionally fingerprint data is useful only for identifying a person, DNA can give you MUCH more information about a person that is really none of Law Enforcement's business, at least not unless until you have been convicted of something.

Just like they need a warrant to go inside your house.. I think they should need one to go inside your body!
 
Its humerous when Conservatives belive themselves to be for small government intervention in our lives yet...

They want to allow them to collect our DNA.
They want to allow them to decide what type of prayers our kids should be led in.
They want them to decide what medical procedures women can have on their bodies.
 
Scalia's dissent had some good stuff. Like him or not, he can spit hot fire:

Today’s judgment will, to be sure, have the beneficial effect of solving more crimes; then again, so would the taking of DNA samples from anyone who flies on an air plane (surely the Transportation Security Administration needs to know the “identity” of the flying public), applies for a driver’s license, or attends a public school. Perhaps the construction of such a genetic panopticon is wise. But I doubt that the proud men who wrote the charter of our liberties would have been so eager to open their mouths for royal inspection.

I therefore dissent, and hope that today’s incursion upon the Fourth Amendment, like an earlier one, will some day be repudiated.
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http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-207_d18e.pdf
 
Jarod said:
The key difference to me, is that fingerprints are on the outside of your body. A DNA swab comes from inside your body. It may sound trivial but to me its key. The Fourth protects us from unreasonable search and seizure. Taking a print of the outside of your finger is much more reasonable than taking a swab from inside your mouth.

Additionally fingerprint data is useful only for identifying a person, DNA can give you MUCH more information about a person that is really none of Law Enforcement's business, at least not unless until you have been convicted of something.

Just like they need a warrant to go inside your house.. I think they should need one to go inside your body!
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I was wavering on this until I read this. Nice job, Barrister!
 
Jarod said:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...olds-dna-swabbing-of-people-under-arrest?lite

So the Supreme Court has just ruled that the Government can take a DNA sample from everyone upon arrest. Are you comfortable with the Government being able to take your DNA before you've been found guilty of anything?

This is a big step toward a national database of everyone's DNA, owned by the Government!

What are your thoughts? Those considered the MOST liberal, Kagan, Sotomayor and Ginsburg all voted against it!

Alito, Roberts, Thomas, all voted to give the government this power!
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My gut feeling is that this is wrong. I'd like to hear more pro and con arguments, though.
 
wow... I agree with Scalia. Something is seriously wrong!

If we really want to stop crime through DNA samples, why don't we take a swab from every baby born in the country? put it on file and require that the address be updated whenever the child moves. We could put GPS chips in our citizens and track them that way as well, if we don't think they will update their address. And video cameras on every corner (ok that one is almost here). Do the "1984" thing and have our TVs able to record what we're doing in front of them.

It's back to that line about giving up liberty in exchange for safety .... where do we stop? We love the video cameras on every corner when a kid gets abducted. Wouldn't be so happy if it caught us buying some medicinal pot though...

The only plus side is there is so much data being collected that it should soon overwhelm the systems designed to collect and filter it...
 
Jarod said:
Its humerous when Conservatives belive themselves to be for small government intervention in our lives yet...

They want to allow them to collect our DNA.
They want to allow them to decide what type of prayers our kids should be led in.
They want them to decide what medical procedures women can have on their bodies.
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Who are you saying supports this?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
that's part of the deal though. while it would initially be an unknown piece of DNA, imagine being arrested a few years from now, your DNA taken, and the next thing you know you're sitting in front of the FBI being asked questions about a triple murder from 2 years before.
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Everyone knows you are a drug dealer, you can cut the chase. You have practically announced it on multiple occations.

Your 'not everyone arrested is guilty' theory is obvious and one worth attention, but trying to use political power to block science that can capture a criminal is pathetic.
 
Jarod said:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...olds-dna-swabbing-of-people-under-arrest?lite

So the Supreme Court has just ruled that the Government can take a DNA sample from everyone upon arrest. Are you comfortable with the Government being able to take your DNA before you've been found guilty of anything?

This is a big step toward a national database of everyone's DNA, owned by the Government!

What are your thoughts? Those considered the MOST liberal, Kagan, Sotomayor and Ginsburg all voted against it!

Alito, Roberts, Thomas, all voted to give the government this power!
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i have mixed feelings about this one. if it were not for some of the other things that dna revel about a person i would not mind so much, especially if the dna sample is destroyed if the person is found not guilty. i think that we need new laws restricting the use of dna by law enforcement to identification only. we have photographs and fingerprints for identification and soon i suspect retinal images.

i think that there are no simple answers for this one. agitate your state and federal elected representatives over this one.
 
Damocles said:
Which doesn't change my post at all. If the fear is that you can be framed, one can frame you with a set of your fingerprints as much as DNA. I'm actually surprised that criminals haven't gotten smart enough to plant extra DNA profiles around crime scenes... It wouldn't be that difficult to obtain your own samples. Shoot you can get samples from a trash can near a Starbucks.
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most criminals are too dumb to do that...or too lazy, remember that you are dealing with a segment of the population that is not known for thinking ahead...

imo, many crimes that involve dna evidence are usually sexual and the dna is from the sperm. the more intelligent rapists use condoms anyway.
 
Anti-Party said:
Everyone knows you are a drug dealer, you can cut the chase. You have practically announced it on multiple occations.

Your 'not everyone arrested is guilty' theory is obvious and one worth attention, but trying to use political power to block science that can capture a criminal is pathetic.
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proof of this have you?
 
leaningright said:
Another stretch and over use of generalization.
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Its a generalization, but not an untrue one. In general Conservatives support the three items listed above.

Broad and wide interpertation of the fourth Amendment when it comes to police powers.
Institutionally led prayer in school.
Strict limits on abortion.
 
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