The disease that is liberalism!

Rana said:
Pay people a descent wage and the numbers on food stamps will go down. I don't know much bout economics, but I know this is a good plan.
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Isn't unemployment among the young and poorly educated high enough for you already?
 
patriot66 said:
Facts are facts, so let them
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Those aren't facts...that's a comparison.

Second, I asked for stats on the folk that are actually taking advantage of the system...of course, with you guys...they all are.

I don't consider people who are working for a living and not making enough to survive taking advantage....and I don't consider the handicapped who can't work taking advantage....and finally, I don't consider people who are on full blown welfare short term until they find a job taking advantage of the system. All three of those scenarios is what the welfare system is for.

So...look at the stats and tell me what the percentage of the welfare rolls is actually taking advantage of the system...

I didn't ask for a comparison of one year to another...nor did I ask for right wing spin.
 
DamnYankee said:
Isn't unemployment among the young and poorly educated high enough for you already?
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Increasing minimum wage won't increase unemployment. There are a lot of reasons for that, the first being really simple: Our current minimum wage is fairly low, compared to what it's been historically.

Then look at it like this: More workers mean more production, and laying off workers means you can't produce as many goods. If there's not a decrease in demand for your good, your competitors will get your business (which you can't have). So you need to keep your workforce, even if it means cutting into executive salaries. And looking at the structure of American production, that's where the money will come from - not the consumer, as doing that will make X corp less competitive. Pretty basic stuff.

Then there's inflation. While worker productivity has drastically increased, minimum wage hasn't even kept up with inflation.

Or the simple evidence:
Now, you might argue that even if the current minimum wage seems low, raising it would cost jobs. But there’s evidence on that question — lots and lots of evidence, because the minimum wage is one of the most studied issues in all of economics. U.S. experience, it turns out, offers many “natural experiments” here, in which one state raises its minimum wage while others do not. And while there are dissenters, as there always are, the great preponderance of the evidence from these natural experiments points to little if any negative effect of minimum wage (look at the pdf) increases on employment.

Why is this true? That’s a subject of continuing research, but one theme in all the explanations is that workers aren’t bushels of wheat or even Manhattan apartments; they’re human beings, and the human relationships involved in hiring and firing are inevitably more complex than markets for mere commodities. And one byproduct of this human complexity seems to be that modest increases in wages for the least-paid don’t necessarily reduce the number of jobs.
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Executive summary from the pdf:

The employment effect of the minimum wage is one of the most studied topics in all of economics.
This report examines the most recent wave of this research – roughly since 2000 – to determine the
best current estimates of the impact of increases in the minimum wage on the employment
prospects of low-wage workers. The weight of that evidence points to little or no employment
response to modest increases in the minimum wage.
The report reviews evidence on eleven possible adjustments to minimum-wage increases that may
help to explain why the measured employment effects are so consistently small. The strongest
evidence suggests that the most important channels of adjustment are: reductions in labor turnover;
improvements in organizational efficiency; reductions in wages of higher earners ("wage
compression"); and small price increases.
Given the relatively small cost to employers of modest increases in the minimum wage, these
adjustment mechanisms appear to be more than sufficient to avoid employment losses, even for
employers with a large share of low-wage workers.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/opinion/krugman-raise-that-wage.html?_r=0
 
Dumb Yankee is a rich right wing engineer that his new neighbors already hate.
He moved to nc for low taxes.
Think old man yelling 'kid get off my lawn'
 
The Dude said:
Dumb Yankee is a rich right wing engineer that his new neighbors already hate.
He moved to nc for low taxes.
Think old man yelling 'kid get off my lawn'
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Only the neighbors who wanted to increase the HOA dues hate me. Them, and the old gal who's son used to drive up and down the street about 60mph, in a dense neighborhood with kids playing in the street. I called him out on that, and the judge down the street called him in. It's all my fault that he got five speeding tickets in a month, and had to sell his car and drive Mommies old VW bug. Ten years later she still tosses trash on my lawn. And her kid drove a folk lift into a high rack and killed himself. Yup, all my fault.

I make lots more money that you do, so by your logic expressed earlier, I'm a lot smarter too.
 
DamnYankee said:
Only the neighbors who wanted to increase the HOA dues hate me. Them, and the old gal who's son used to drive up and down the street about 60mph, in a dense neighborhood with kids playing in the street. I called him out on that, and the judge down the street called him in. It's all my fault that he got five speeding tickets in a month, and had to sell his car and drive Mommies old VW bug. Ten years later she still tosses trash on my lawn. And her kid drove a folk lift into a high rack and killed himself. Yup, all my fault.

I make lots more money that you do, so by your logic expressed earlier, I'm a lot smarter too.
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Yeah....but you're a douche, so that cancels everything else out.
 
The Dude said:
Locks himself in the house cause his neighbors hate him!
Congrats on still working even though a millionaire. That might explain the lack of friends thingy
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I lock my house because it only makes sense to do so, not because the neighbors who's HOA kingdom I've destroyed would break in. They fear me as much as they hate me. Next door has my key for when I'm away and the cat needs to be fed.

Lots of friends, in the 'hood here as well as many others.
 
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