Yeah....its a choice

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Told ya so....another myth busted.

Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

http://tinyurl.com/q4rnsb9
 
So...

Studies on gays proving what you want to hear - good.

Studies on climate showing things you don't want to hear - bad.

Ok, i think i've finally fathomed out the complicated JPP rules of science.
 
Now don't everybody jump on the uneducated navy boy at once!
He spent years at sea with a bunch of young boys and still struggles with what he did.
 
charver said:
So...

Studies on gays proving what you want to hear - good.

Studies on climate showing things you don't want to hear - bad.

Ok, i think i've finally fathomed out the complicated JPP rules of science.
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you're doing the same thing though.
 
look this is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket when just common sense (i.e. everyone has known about twins where one is gay and the other is not before this) would suffice. Gay rights should never really have been derived out of the fact that something was biological. There is no reason not let gays get married even if they simply woke up one day and randomly decided it.

but at the same time, I don't believe in closing my eyes and covering my ears, and honestly this type of study shouldn't really be that shocking to people. Humans are complicated things and obviously socializing and upbringing play heavy roles in our identity.
 
Once again, Bravo gets bitchslapped in one thread and starts another one like the crybaby pussy he is.

I've already debunked that study, Bravo. Here's some more on the discredited token christian "scientist" who is a proponent of "curing" gays with "conversion therapy":


NARTH relies on outdated studies and frequently confuses stereotypes with science. Dr. Nicolosi, for example, often tells audiences that people are gay because they have a rift with a same-sex parent or a have domineering opposite sex parent. It has been decades since any serious scientific body subscribed to these views and there is no contemporary research to uphold these anachronistic theories. Yet, NARTH’ co-founder Dr. Joseph Nicolosi repeats the empty mantra, “We advise fathers, if you don’t hug your sons, some other man will.”

. . . NARTH also has bizarre theories, such as encouraging male clients who drink Gatorade and call their friends “dude,” because this will supposedly make them more masculine. Dr. Nicolosi also espouses the bizarre idea that, “Non-homosexual men who experience defeat and failure may also experience homosexual fantasies or dreams.”

In 2006, NARTH had a meltdown after two major controversies. In the first, psychiatrist Joseph Berger, MD, a member of their “Scientific Advisory Committee,” wrote a paper encouraging students to “ridicule” gender variant children. “I suggest, indeed, letting children who wish go to school in clothes of the opposite sex–but not counseling other children to not tease them or hurt their feelings,” Dr. Berger wrote on NARTH’s website. “On the contrary, don’t interfere, and let the other children ridicule the child who has lost that clear boundary between play-acting at home and the reality needs of the outside world. Maybe, in this way, the child will re-establish that necessary boundary.”

In the second controversy, Gerald Schoenwolf, PhD, also a member of NARTH’s “Scientific Advisory Committee,” wrote a polemic on the group’s website that seemed to justify slavery.
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The National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) is a self described “non-profit, educational organization dedicated to affirming a complementary, male-female model of gender and sexuality”www.narth.com

NARTH explains in their mission statement “clients have the right to claim a gay identity, or to diminish their homosexuality and to develop their heterosexual potential.”They claim to attain this through years of reparative therapy, (also used interchangeably with the terms conversion therapy and sexual brokenness) a practice the American Psychiatric Association says can “lead to depression, anxiety and self destructive behavior, and may reinforce self hatred.”

NARTH, was founded in 1992, by Benjamin Kaufman, M.D, Charles W. Socarides, M.D. , and Dr. Joseph Nicolosi in response to the American Psychiatric Association’ (APA) removal of homosexuality from its list of mental disorders in 1973, an action they all vehemently opposed.

Dr. Benjamin Kaufman explained in an interview on the group’ website, “I saw that I could not turn to the American Psychiatric Association, or any other such professional organizations. All had totally stifled the scientific inquiry that would be necessary to stimulate such a discussion. It remains very politically incorrect–very marginalizing–to even make the suggestion of a dialogue that opens up the question of the normality of homosexuality.”
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http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Neil-Whitehead/30466197

Dr. Neil Whitehead, a NARTH member and author of My Genes Made Me Do It! has studied the claims about gay rams for several years.
According to Dr. Whitehead, the research claims made by Oregon researchers are questionable and fail to consider alternative social conditions that may have contributed to rams mounting other rams. He writes:
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Dr. Whitehead also questions the claim that researchers have discovered that ram prenatal brains have been demasculinized in some fashion:
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Dr. Whitehead has written before on the subject of gay rams and Rocky Mountain sheep: "Is ram behaviour evidence of 'natural homosexuality?"
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The Dude said:
Now don't everybody jump on the uneducated navy boy at once!
He spent years at sea with a bunch of young boys and still struggles with what he did.
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Rumor has it Bravo went to Marcus Bachmann following his bad conduct discharge from the Navy for fucking the commander's son and was converted back to what he is: A dumbfucl asswipe.
 
charver said:
So...

Studies on gays proving what you want to hear - good.

Studies on climate showing things you don't want to hear - bad.

Ok, i think i've finally fathomed out the complicated JPP rules of science.
Click to expand...


The climate change myth was busted long ago....lol....
 
Totally Tornado said:
look this is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket when just common sense (i.e. everyone has known about twins where one is gay and the other is not before this) would suffice. Gay rights should never really have been derived out of the fact that something was biological. There is no reason not let gays get married even if they simply woke up one day and randomly decided it.

but at the same time, I don't believe in closing my eyes and covering my ears, and honestly this type of study shouldn't really be that shocking to people. Humans are complicated things and obviously socializing and upbringing play heavy roles in our identity.
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I agree fully that even if chosen it does not matter.

But where are the studies? He gives the name of one set of researchers (Bearman and Bruckner) which as far as I can tell is a reference to a study on opposite sex twins. Whitehead has only written articles for NARTH, as far as I can determine. He has provided nothing for consideration.

http://www.soc.duke.edu/~jmoody77/205a/ecp/bearman_bruckner_ajs.pdf
 
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