IRS scandal & Benghazi... how many other cover ups are out there?

Darla said:
I don't think it's payback. I think it's Clinton second term all over again. I know for a fact that I personally posted that Obama would be impeached in his second term if the Republicans controlled the House. None of this is the least bit surprising. They are throwing literally everything to the wall and seeing if anything can stick. They will spend the remainder of his term holding costly investigations, attempting to taint the administration as "scandal-plagued" until Americans figure something must be on fire what with all the smoke. Look at Jon Stewart, he has already fallen for that tactic.

They may even eventually accidently stumble onto a real scandal. Whether they do or they don't won't matter, they will try to impeach. It's coming.
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It gets so tiring. This crying wolf makes the public desensitized to real scandal..
 
Darla said:
I don't think it's payback. I think it's Clinton second term all over again. I know for a fact that I personally posted that Obama would be impeached in his second term if the Republicans controlled the House. None of this is the least bit surprising. They are throwing literally everything to the wall and seeing if anything can stick. They will spend the remainder of his term holding costly investigations, attempting to taint the administration as "scandal-plagued" until Americans figure something must be on fire what with all the smoke. Look at Jon Stewart, he has already fallen for that tactic.

They may even eventually accidently stumble onto a real scandal. Whether they do or they don't won't matter, they will try to impeach. It's coming.
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It really sucks. And they'll do the same thing with Hillary when she wins in 2016.

In the good ol' days, the GOP would try to win with better ideas (rare), and better candidates. They really have neither now, so they're just going w/ a scorched earth philosophy. Instead of elevating the discourse & giving America the gov't it deserves, they just want to pound away at the opposition until the perception is that they're both on the same (low) level.
 
Thing1 said:
It really sucks. And they'll do the same thing with Hillary when she wins in 2016.

In the good ol' days, the GOP would try to win with better ideas (rare), and better candidates. They really have neither now, so they're just going w/ a scorched earth philosophy. Instead of elevating the discourse & giving America the gov't it deserves, they just want to pound away at the opposition until the perception is that they're both on the same (low) level.
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They are trying to do it to Hillary now, preemptively, because they know she is going to beat anyone they can put up, including their favorite Jersey Boy. Remember how they sucked up to her women voters by pretending they considered her a person worthy of great respect, a worthy opponent? I doubt anyone fell for that, it was so transparent and now here they are fighting the Clinton wars again! All bullshit. Always was.

I totally agree with your second paragraph.
 
Let me know when you're up to another skewering on this topic Superfreak, I have to go get some work done and I'm sure you will need some time to recover from this one - Billy has ointment for you!
 
Darla said:
Their job is to make sure political groups aren't falsely claiming non-profit status. I have read up on it, and I don't think there's much there that hasn't always been there. http://www.salon.com/2013/05/14/when_the_irs_targeted_liberals/
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Yes, but they are supposed to have the same standards regardless of political affiliation.

As far as the IRS audits in the 'liberals targeted' piece... the difference there is that complaints were filed with the IRS against those organizations. In such cases they have to look to see if there is merit to the complaints. Whereas in this case, the IRS took it upon itself to filter groups based on 'tea party' etc... in the name of the organization and go after them. That is not supposed to happen.
 
Thing1 said:
The more I read on the IRS scandal, the smaller it gets. It really doesn't seem like a huge deal to me; the IRS generally targets those kinds of political groups anyway, because it's easier for them to hide their contributions. The fact that they went after groups like the TEA party - while stupid - isn't too surprising, given how the TEA party feels about the IRS. It really has zero to do w/ Obama or the admin in general.

And I'm still not seeing the there there on Benghazi. Maybe something will come out, but the fact that so many connies are rushing to the worst kinds of conclusions just shows how rabid they are.

The Bush years were rough on the right; they want payback.
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.. and democrats were REAL tough on Bush during those years .. for many of the same things that Obama gets a pass on today.

Is there ANYTHING that democrats believe that Obama should be held accountable for?

Is there ANYTHING that should be thoroughly investigated .. as democrats were calling for during the Bush years?
 
evince said:
aree you getting the point?


how can they go after these groups equally hwen they are not acting equally?


maybe your about to get it
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You are clearly not getting the point. Which isn't surprising given that you ignore all facts in order to protect your partisan bullshit.

They do NOT have the right to go after them in such a manner. Even if every single one of them said they were opposed to the IRS's existence. That said, I would like you to highlight where each of the 300+ groups said they wanted the IRS 'dead'.
 
Darla said:
Let me know when you're up to another skewering on this topic Superfreak, I have to go get some work done and I'm sure you will need some time to recover from this one - Billy has ointment for you!
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You may want to collect that ointment for yourself...
 
Superfreak said:
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Appendix VI and Appendix VII.PDF

An initial timeline of the IRS scandal. So for over two years the IRS targeted conservative groups.

I wonder what the reaction would have been had this been during the Bush administration and the IRS had gone after liberal groups.
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LOL That depends on how many millions of the taxpayers money you nitwits are going to spend to prove that your partisan hacks who care far more about your partisan politics than running our nation. This shit's just going to blow up on ya'll. Just one created controversy after another and you'll keep on throwing this made up shit just like you did with Clinton until you find something that sticks.

Good luck. No one but right wingnuts really cares about this made up shit.
 
they have the right to scrutinize people appllying for this status.


they donthave the right to place extra burdenss on people to end their political actions.


How many ot=f the tea party groups were refused the status?
 
blackascoal said:
.. and democrats were REAL tough on Bush during those years .. for many of the same things that Obama gets a pass on today.

Is there ANYTHING that democrats believe that Obama should be held accountable for?

Is there ANYTHING that should be thoroughly investigated .. as democrats were calling for during the Bush years?
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I don't see many Dems saying these things should not be investigated. I'm certainly not saying that.

Unfortunately for your arguments, there is a lot more that is proven w/ Bush at this point. With Obama, we may see the same in a few years, but right now it's a lot of false outrage & unfounded accusations from the right.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
LOL That depends on how many millions of the taxpayers money you nitwits are going to spend to prove that your partisan hacks who care far more about your partisan politics than running our nation. This shit's just going to blow up on ya'll. Just one created controversy after another and you'll keep on throwing this made up shit just like you did with Clinton until you find something that sticks.

Good luck. No one but right wingnuts really cares about this made up shit.
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LOL... you think this is a created controversy? Then tell us Mutt, why is the IRS making all this public now? Why are they apologizing if they did nothing wrong?
 
Thing1 said:
I don't see many Dems saying these things should not be investigated. I'm certainly not saying that.

Unfortunately for your arguments, there is a lot more that is proven w/ Bush at this point. With Obama, we may see the same in a few years, but right now it's a lot of false outrage & unfounded accusations from the right.
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unfounded accusations? The IRS came out and apologized for inappropriate targeting. How the hell do you see that as unfounded?
 
blackascoal said:
.. and democrats were REAL tough on Bush during those years .. for many of the same things that Obama gets a pass on today.

Is there ANYTHING that democrats believe that Obama should be held accountable for?

Is there ANYTHING that should be thoroughly investigated .. as democrats were calling for during the Bush years?
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No, the IRS should definitely be investigated. I am just saying from my reading this is not the big deal it was first made to be, and further, Obama definitely had nothing to do with this one. The AP phone record grab needs to be investigated, and that probably will go back to him. See, that is independent of the fact that I said before Obama was even reelected that the right would impeach him in his second term if they held the house. I don't do false outrage and am unimpressed with their bullshit, nor will I ever entertain it for one second. Because it's laughable.

Of the "scandals" the only one that has my interest currently is the AP one. But I have not said the IRS shit shouldn't be investigated. A real investigation. Republican hearings? Joke.
 
Superfreak said:
unfounded accusations? The IRS came out and apologized for inappropriate targeting. How the hell do you see that as unfounded?
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BAC was talking about holding Obama accountable, and most on the right have already tied the scandal to Obama. So, ya know - that's what I'm talking about.
 
Thing1 said:
I don't see many Dems saying these things should not be investigated. I'm certainly not saying that.

Unfortunately for your arguments, there is a lot more that is proven w/ Bush at this point. With Obama, we may see the same in a few years, but right now it's a lot of false outrage & unfounded accusations from the right.
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:0) It seems that every critique of Obama is a false accusation.

That's interesting.

The coming months are going to be real interesting.
 
Thing1 said:
BAC was talking about holding Obama accountable, and most on the right have already tied the scandal to Obama. So, ya know - that's what I'm talking about.
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I wasn't just talking about the IRS debacle .. I asked if there was ANYTHING that Obama should be held accountable for, or have thoroughly investigated .. or, is everything just the republicans fault?
 
blackascoal said:
:0) It seems that every critique of Obama is a false accusation.

That's interesting.

The coming months are going to be real interesting.
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Cute. But I said the the outrage was false.

The accusations are - for the most part, currently - unfounded. There is a lot of BS flying around, and very little of it is proven or has basis in proven fact as of yet.
 
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