USFREEDOM911
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So how are extensive back ground checks going to curtail this problem, that you see?
Why are liberals afraid to answer this question?
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So how are extensive back ground checks going to curtail this problem, that you see?
Steelplate
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Figure it out....you are being purposefully obtuse.
USFREEDOM911
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No, I'm really not.
I've learned that when liberals won't give specific answers, it's because they want the other side to give them; so they can then try to pick the answers apart, change the goal posts, and add to the complaint.
So how are the extensive back ground checks going to curtail this problem, that you see?
Don't be a coward like MM; because you seem to have potential, but you're just lack confidence in yourself.
Steelplate
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Wow....you must have learned well...because that is your exact MO.
I've already told you. It will make the private seller of firearms accountable to who they sell to....whereas they are not now. Of course, some will still risk it for the money....most won't. The ones that do risk getting caught. Prison, fines, and of course....the loss of their guns and the ability to own, buy sell legally again.
It will force violent felons known mentally ill into a much riskier, shadier side of acquiring a gun...also much more expensive and less availability and selection.
Obviously, it will not end it altogether
Baron Von Esslingen
Liberal Agitator
Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, except that you probably have no clue as to what 1/2 of a forced ignore entails; but then liberals have never let their lack of knowledge ever stop them from attempting to appear intelligent.
I know what dodging an answer entails and when a link has the answer you asked for but you offer up some personal attacks and stupid shit deferrals, I know all you are looking for is a chance to sling your shit and not a serious discussion. Don't worry about whether I appear to be intelligent. I'm not the one refusing to acknowledge what's right in front of them.
Just so you won't be able to use the same lame ass excuse again here's the link
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...09#post1210409
Is that to my post? Doesn't work.
Bfgrn
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You are using obfuscation and dishonestly parsing words here to protect murderers, felons and wife beaters. The loophole DOES exist. You KNOW it exists. But the fact that anyone prohibited from legally buying a gun under any circumstances is engaging in an "illegal" activity, you are saying it is not a "loophole".
So you want to pamper and protect murderers, felons and wife beaters from the humiliation, inconvenience and inherit danger of having to buy their weapons of death from other murderers, felons and wife beaters.
You really are an example of a reprehensible human being.
Murderer, felon and wife beater----->
Sheriff Bailey, Chief Monroe: Close gun show loophole
As record crowds flood gun shows in North Carolina and across the nation, two top law enforcement officials in Charlotte say they support closing the “gun show loophole” that allows unregulated private sales at the events.
“I think any exchange of a firearm should require somebody to have some document showing they’ve had a background investigation,” Sheriff Chipp Bailey told the Observer.
Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Rodney Monroe also said he is concerned by private gun show sales that require no background checks. A third official, Earl Woodham, spokesman for the Charlotte division of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said he could not comment on changes to gun laws but did say private sales hamper criminal investigations.
At a recent show in Fayetteville that drew hours-long lines, private sellers traded guns for cash. Prices were written on cardboard taped to their chests or on the firearms slung over their shoulders. Their transactions happened in aisles or corners near the more organized booths of licensed dealers.
One man near the show entrance hoisted his own AR-15s into the air.
“No background checks! $1,500!” the private seller shouted.
What is the gun show loophole?
The gun show loophole appeared in 1986, when Congress passed the Firearm Owners Protection Act that differentiates between licensed gun dealers and private sellers.
Dealers, under the federal law, must perform background checks on all purchasers, refuse to sell guns to convicted felons or other people on the “prohibited purchasers” list and keep records of all sales.
Private sellers only have to follow applicable state laws.
Law enforcement concerns
Chief Monroe and Sheriff Bailey both say unregulated private sales make it easier for criminals to get guns. The ATF says it makes it harder for authorities to trace weapons during criminal investigations.
“This gap in the background check system ... puts officers at risk,” CMPD spokesman Robert Tufano said in a statement issued for the chief. “Chief Monroe supports legislation that requires background checks for all firearms sales at gun shows.”
But national and state gun rights groups say private sales should not be regulated because it’s an individual right to sell or trade a personal firearm.
Gun rights advocates reject the term “loophole,” since all private sales are unregulated, not just the ones at gun shows.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...-bailey-chief-monroe-close.html#storylink=cpy
USFREEDOM911
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Next time, check your own link; because:
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USFREEDOM911
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And how exactly are you going to insure that million upon million of guns are having back ground checks ran, when they are sold privetly?
USFREEDOM911
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You are using obfuscation and dishonestly parsing words here to protect murderers, felons and wife beaters. The loophole DOES exist. You KNOW it exists. But the fact that anyone prohibited from legally buying a gun under any circumstances is engaging in an "illegal" activity, you are saying it is not a "loophole".
So you want to pamper and protect murderers, felons and wife beaters from the humiliation, inconvenience and inherit danger of having to buy their weapons of death from other murderers, felons and wife beaters.
You really are an example of a reprehensible human being.
Murderer, felon and wife beater-----><----USFREEDOM911
Sheriff Bailey, Chief Monroe: Close gun show loophole
As record crowds flood gun shows in North Carolina and across the nation, two top law enforcement officials in Charlotte say they support closing the “gun show loophole” that allows unregulated private sales at the events.
“I think any exchange of a firearm should require somebody to have some document showing they’ve had a background investigation,” Sheriff Chipp Bailey told the Observer.
Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Rodney Monroe also said he is concerned by private gun show sales that require no background checks. A third official, Earl Woodham, spokesman for the Charlotte division of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said he could not comment on changes to gun laws but did say private sales hamper criminal investigations.
At a recent show in Fayetteville that drew hours-long lines, private sellers traded guns for cash. Prices were written on cardboard taped to their chests or on the firearms slung over their shoulders. Their transactions happened in aisles or corners near the more organized booths of licensed dealers.
One man near the show entrance hoisted his own AR-15s into the air.
“No background checks! $1,500!” the private seller shouted.
What is the gun show loophole?
The gun show loophole appeared in 1986, when Congress passed the Firearm Owners Protection Act that differentiates between licensed gun dealers and private sellers.
Dealers, under the federal law, must perform background checks on all purchasers, refuse to sell guns to convicted felons or other people on the “prohibited purchasers” list and keep records of all sales.
Private sellers only have to follow applicable state laws.
Law enforcement concerns
Chief Monroe and Sheriff Bailey both say unregulated private sales make it easier for criminals to get guns. The ATF says it makes it harder for authorities to trace weapons during criminal investigations.
“This gap in the background check system ... puts officers at risk,” CMPD spokesman Robert Tufano said in a statement issued for the chief. “Chief Monroe supports legislation that requires background checks for all firearms sales at gun shows.”
But national and state gun rights groups say private sales should not be regulated because it’s an individual right to sell or trade a personal firearm.
Gun rights advocates reject the term “loophole,” since all private sales are unregulated, not just the ones at gun shows.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...-bailey-chief-monroe-close.html#storylink=cpy
Just because others have the same cognitive impairment, that those who wish to use the liberal talking points, and want to refer to it as a loophole; doesn't make it one.
Any more then you calling a rabbit, a cat.
Private sales are not a loophole; because the laws governing licensed dealers was never meant to cover private sales.
Bfgrn
New member
Murderer, felon and wife beater----->
Prior to 1986, if you sold more than 4 guns per year, you were NOT considered a private seller. ENTER the gun show loophole...
Under the Gun Control Act of 1968, federal law clearly defined private sellers as anyone who sold no more than four firearms per year. But the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act lifted that restriction and loosely defined private sellers as people who do not rely on gun sales as the principal way of obtaining their livelihood.
NOW, these so-called private sellers are supposed to be making only occasional sales. According to federal law, they cannot be "engaged in the business" of selling firearms. But that's exactly what investigators found. They found private sellers with large inventories doing a brisk business. In fact, one private seller acknowledged selling 348 guns in less than a year.
There IS a loophole in the gun show law that allows a seller to pose as little uncle Joe selling a gun or two, and circumvent doing background checks.
New York City sent investigators with hidden cameras to seven gun shows across Ohio, Tennessee and Nevada, and found out just how easy it is for criminals and the mentally ill to walk in and buy guns -- no questions asked.
Investigators told the private sellers that they "probably couldn't pass a background check" -- and at that point, the seller should have sent them away. Because even private sellers are prohibited by federal law from selling to those who they have reason to suspect could not pass a background check.
Instead, 19 out of 30 private sellers made the sale.
These so-called private sellers are supposed to be making only occasional sales. According to federal law, they cannot be "engaged in the business" of selling firearms. But that's exactly what investigators found. They found private sellers with large inventories doing a brisk business. In fact, one private seller acknowledged selling 348 guns in less than a year.
FACT: Gun sellers who claim to be “occasional sellers” are not required by current federal law to conduct background checks on their customers. Furthermore, there is no clear definition of how many guns a person can sell as an “occasional seller” – it could be dozens, or even hundreds.
The Firearm Owners' Protection Act (FOPA) states: 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(D), (22). Those not “engaged in the business” of dealing guns are exempt from the licensure requirement.
So, closing the gun show loophole would not punish any law abiding gun owner.
What is the gun show loophole?
Federal law allows people who sell guns to avoid running background checks or keeping records by calling themselves occasional sellers, and these sellers often congregate at gun shows. The loophole provides criminals with easy access to firearms without having to worry about any background checks.
- Current law requires licensed gun dealers to conduct background checks, because that is the only way to determine whether a person is eligible to buy a gun. Licensed dealers must also keep records about the buyer so ATF can trace the gun if it is recovered at a crime scene.
- The law does not, however, require so-called occasional sellers to do these checks – and there’s no clear definition of what qualifies as an occasional seller.[ii]
- Many sellers at gun shows abuse that loophole by calling themselves occasional sellers. Because they concentrate at gun shows, it is easy for felons and other prohibited possessors to find someone who will sell to them without a background check.
- Gun shows linked to the Pentagon Shooting: In March 2010, John Bedell – who was prohibited by law from possessing guns – shot two Pentagon police officers with a gun purchased from a private seller at a Las Vegas gun show.
- Gun shows were tied to a broad range of violations, including straw purchases and the sale of kits to convert legal guns into illegal machine guns.
Solution: Require occasional sellers to run instant background checks.
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I see Grind's BFF Howey is responding; but since Howey's BFF Grind has place me on 1/2 of a forced ignore, I can't see them.
It's a shame because he might actually be saying something important, instead of his usual accusations of someone being a perv and such.
Oh-well
It is interesting isn't it? HowAIDS whined to the mods so others are put on "forced ignore", but HowAIDS isn't on forced ignore. Ironic huh? He must have given the mods good head
canceled.2021.1
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Interesting. That wasn't what you demalquedacrats were saying when Bush was wiretapping Al Queda terrorists. Oh on, their precious civil liberties were being infringed upon. Now all of a sudden, people are "hiding something". Fucking treasonous douchebags
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Weren't you aware that Howey and Grind are
Butt
Fucking
Friends
Howey brags about it, everytime he posts.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Murderer, felon and wife beater-----><----USFREEDOM911
Prior to 1986, if you sold more than 4 guns per year, you were NOT considered a private seller. ENTER the gun show loophole...
Under the Gun Control Act of 1968, federal law clearly defined private sellers as anyone who sold no more than four firearms per year. But the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act lifted that restriction and loosely defined private sellers as people who do not rely on gun sales as the principal way of obtaining their livelihood.
NOW, these so-called private sellers are supposed to be making only occasional sales. According to federal law, they cannot be "engaged in the business" of selling firearms. But that's exactly what investigators found. They found private sellers with large inventories doing a brisk business. In fact, one private seller acknowledged selling 348 guns in less than a year.
There IS a loophole in the gun show law that allows a seller to pose as little uncle Joe selling a gun or two, and circumvent doing background checks.
New York City sent investigators with hidden cameras to seven gun shows across Ohio, Tennessee and Nevada, and found out just how easy it is for criminals and the mentally ill to walk in and buy guns -- no questions asked.
Investigators told the private sellers that they "probably couldn't pass a background check" -- and at that point, the seller should have sent them away. Because even private sellers are prohibited by federal law from selling to those who they have reason to suspect could not pass a background check.
Instead, 19 out of 30 private sellers made the sale.
These so-called private sellers are supposed to be making only occasional sales. According to federal law, they cannot be "engaged in the business" of selling firearms. But that's exactly what investigators found. They found private sellers with large inventories doing a brisk business. In fact, one private seller acknowledged selling 348 guns in less than a year.
FACT: Gun sellers who claim to be “occasional sellers” are not required by current federal law to conduct background checks on their customers. Furthermore, there is no clear definition of how many guns a person can sell as an “occasional seller” – it could be dozens, or even hundreds.
The Firearm Owners' Protection Act (FOPA) states: 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(D), (22). Those not “engaged in the business” of dealing guns are exempt from the licensure requirement.
So, closing the gun show loophole would not punish any law abiding gun owner.
What is the gun show loophole?
Federal law allows people who sell guns to avoid running background checks or keeping records by calling themselves occasional sellers, and these sellers often congregate at gun shows. The loophole provides criminals with easy access to firearms without having to worry about any background checks.
- Current law requires licensed gun dealers to conduct background checks, because that is the only way to determine whether a person is eligible to buy a gun. Licensed dealers must also keep records about the buyer so ATF can trace the gun if it is recovered at a crime scene.
- The law does not, however, require so-called occasional sellers to do these checks – and there’s no clear definition of what qualifies as an occasional seller.[ii]
...........*ATF concluded that “gun shows and flea markets are a major venue for illegal trafficking.”[iii]
- Many sellers at gun shows abuse that loophole by calling themselves occasional sellers. Because they concentrate at gun shows, it is easy for felons and other prohibited possessors to find someone who will sell to them without a background check.
- Gun shows linked to the Pentagon Shooting: In March 2010, John Bedell – who was prohibited by law from possessing guns – shot two Pentagon police officers with a gun purchased from a private seller at a Las Vegas gun show.
- Gun shows were tied to a broad range of violations, including straw purchases and the sale of kits to convert legal guns into illegal machine guns.
Solution: Require occasional sellers to run instant background checks.
Since this seems to be the liberals latest "rant-du-jour", I'm just curious how many of these gun show rule violaters have been arrested, charged, and convicted?
Steelplate
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USFREEDOM911
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It is estimated that there are between 270 million and 310 million firearms privately owned, in the US.
That's about 101 firearms per 100 people.
Of these; around 114 million are handguns.
Since the murderer's, felon's and wife beater's are buying their firearms illegally; could someone explain how enacting an enhanced background check is going to curtail these same murderer's, felon's and wife beater's from acquiring what they want?
That's about 101 firearms per 100 people.
Of these; around 114 million are handguns.
Since the murderer's, felon's and wife beater's are buying their firearms illegally; could someone explain how enacting an enhanced background check is going to curtail these same murderer's, felon's and wife beater's from acquiring what they want?
Steelplate
New member
Answered multiple fucking times....just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean you get to parrot the sane question.
If you can't accept that...start your armed rebellion
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Who's afraid?
Everyone understands any honest attempt at answering your question will only be met with the same tire obfuscation, evasion, backtracking and word parsing any response from you includes.
Of course you'll just ignore any response from me altogether, just as you've done every single time I've tried to ask you a question for the better part of the last year.
Already this thread is nearly 4 pages long and true to form, you've evaded, ignored, attempted to move the goalposts or just outright lied to anyone who dared to provide an "honest" answer.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Oh yeah...another typical "honest" answer from USF!
He expects honesty from others but he's allowed to spew the same tired insults.