Keep in mind, there is no war on Christians.....

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NOVA

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Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith. (From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)
Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.
So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)--whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.

http://tinyurl.com/cjl9rpe
 
NOVA said:
Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith. (From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)
Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.
So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)--whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.

http://tinyurl.com/cjl9rpe
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Another NOVA post...

Another pile of horseshit...

To read the actual TRUTH:

http://burnpit.legion.org/2013/05/n...-or-zoroastrians-sikhs-buddhists-or-spaghetti
 
NOVA said:
Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith. (From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)
Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.
So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)--whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.

http://tinyurl.com/cjl9rpe
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This is a lie,1) it is a prohibition on evangelizing, not expressing religious beliefs. 2) Even if what you posted were true, it would not be against Christians but all religion. Ugh, I love when Christians constantly imagine a WAR on them, as you wrote, it would affect all religions equally.
 
Jarod said:
This is a lie,1) it is a prohibition on evangelizing, not expressing religious beliefs. 2) Even if what you posted were true, it would not be against Christians but all religion. Ugh, I love when Christians constantly imagine a WAR on them, as you wrote, it would affect all religions equally.
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Since when did Bravo ever concern himself with the truth????
 
Howey said:
We pointed out in the other thread that this was another moment of manufactured outrage from FOX.

Bravo, of course, never checks validity of claims.
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Are you saying I'm mistaken and there IS a war on Christians, Meathead ?
 
Jarod said:
This is a lie,1) it is a prohibition on evangelizing, not expressing religious beliefs. 2) Even if what you posted were true, it would not be against Christians but all religion. Ugh, I love when Christians constantly imagine a WAR on them, as you wrote, it would affect all religions equally.
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Sorry Jarod....I can't take any credit for writing anything....I didn't write any of that post.
 
NOVA said:
Sorry Jarod....I can't take any credit for writing anything....I didn't write any of that post.
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Ahh, sorry you simply get credit for spreading lies, not writing them. I understand.
 
Jarod said:
I dono, were you being sarcastic or do you agree there is no war on Christians?
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Now you've got me wondering....Weinstein was on the O'Reilly show last night and the interview was a little confusing to me....the quotes attributed to him are
pretty strong and that was the intention of the post....to see what others thought of some of his quotes....
Like below...

Recently on Huffington Post, for example, Weinstein apocalyptically called for the suppression of all religious speech that might remotely be characterized as proselytizing because 'today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation's armed forces. '


He also told Fox News recently that 'until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression, we will never have the ability to stop this horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior. '

He described an individual's sharing of religious faith with other members of the military as 'spiritual rape. '


Incredibly well-funded fundamentalists officers in the military forcing religion on the troops ?.....Really ?......that sounds like an outrageous claim on its face.......

"horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior----- 'spiritual rape."---

Whats going on in the todays military ?......What are those in charge doing to warrant such accusations from Weinstein ?...He sounds like the fanatic here, but
maybe I just never heard of whatever is supposed to be going on....

There was nothing like this when I served and the few guys that I know that were in during the last 15 years or so never revealed anything going on like this guy is saying....
That was my point until the pinheads deceided to slam me and ignore the post for the most part.....

http://gazette.com/pentagons-strange-alliance-with-mikey-weinstein/article/1500225
 
ZappasGuitar said:
The thread title you chose is the truth...everything beyond that from your OP is horseshit.
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That could be .....

Recently on Huffington Post, for example, Weinstein apocalyptically called for the suppression of all religious speech that might remotely be characterized as proselytizing because 'today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation's armed forces. '

So who are these well funded monsters that terrorize Americans with a "weaponized and twisted version of Christianity.....

Who funds them ?

What does "weaponized" mean in this context ?

How is their version of Christianity "twisted" ?

Three soft ball questions just for you Zippy.....
 
NOVA said:
That could be .....

Recently on Huffington Post, for example, Weinstein apocalyptically called for the suppression of all religious speech that might remotely be characterized as proselytizing because 'today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation's armed forces. '

So who are these well funded monsters that terrorize Americans with a "weaponized and twisted version of Christianity.....
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Don't know don't care...

NOVA said:
Who funds them ?
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Don't know don't care...

NOVA said:
What does "weaponized" mean in this context ?
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Don't know don't care...

NOVA said:
How is their version of Christianity "twisted" ?

Three soft ball questions just for you Zippy.....
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Don't know don't care...

You're the one quoting from this supposed HuffPo article...you tell ME who Weinstein was referring to.
 
NOVA said:
That could be .....

Recently on Huffington Post, for example, Weinstein apocalyptically called for the suppression of all religious speech that might remotely be characterized as proselytizing because 'today, we face incredibly well-funded gangs of fundamentalist Christian monsters who terrorize their fellow Americans by forcing their weaponized and twisted version of Christianity upon their helpless subordinates in our nation's armed forces. '

So who are these well funded monsters that terrorize Americans with a "weaponized and twisted version of Christianity.....

Who funds them ?

What does "weaponized" mean in this context ?

How is their version of Christianity "twisted" ?

Three soft ball questions just for you Zippy.....
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THIS is why Bravo should retire to the netherlands of the internet. Using a one paragraph blurb from a extremist right wing rag he (and they) fail miserably in misquoting and misinterpreting Weinstein (whom I don't admire and passes himself off as a pompous ass using big words).

Here's his entire piece, conveniently left out of this discussion by Bravo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/fundamentalist-christian-_b_3072651.html
In an email obtained by that "Fair and Balanced" network, U.S. Army Lt. Col. Rich lays out domestic "hate groups," using a list from the SPLC that categorizes these groups by ideology. Among the named groups are FRC (or as I refer to them, the "Freedom Restriction Conspiracy") and AFA (referred to by me as the "Anti-Freedom Association"), who are given place alongside Fred "God Hates Fags" Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church, infamous for its repugnant "Thank God for IEDs" protests outside of armed forces servicemember funerals.

Illustrating the extremist, militant nature of these virulently homophobic organizations' rhetorically-charged propaganda, the SPLC list notes that "In the words of Focus on the Family founder James Dobson; the battle against gay rights is essentially a 'second civil war' to put control of the U.S. government in the right hands, meaning those who reject gay rights."

The SPLC dossier quoted in Lt. Col. Rich's letter continues, explaining "The religious right in America has employed a variety of strategies in its efforts to beat back the increasingly confident gay rights movement. One of those has been defamation. Many of its leaders have engaged in the crudest type of name-calling, describing LGBT people as 'perverts with 'filthy habits' who seek to snatch the children of straight parents and 'convert' them to gay sex. They have disseminated disparaging 'facts' about gays that are simply untrue assertions that are remarkably reminiscent of the way white intellectuals and scientists once wrote about the 'bestial' black man and his supposedly threatening sexuality."
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That's quite the accurate explanation of the tactics used by the extreme right, isn't it? But then, Weinstein, goes on - and this is where Bravo's horribly wrong - and actually criticizes the presentation for lumping mainstream religious groups with fringe groups, along with condemnation with their inclusion of Islam with the fringe groups too.

News of Rich's email comes one week after FRC, AFA, and CARL raised a clamorous, disingenuous hullabaloo over a PowerPoint slide on "Religious Extremism" that lumped "Evangelical Christianity," "Catholicism," and "Sunni Muslims" with the Ku Klux Klan, Jewish Defense League, and "Al Quaeda." You can read MRFF Senior Research Director Chris Rodda's take on this foolish slide here. The slide, while certainly offensive, was slipshod in style and substantively inaccurate in content. Its impact was certainly paltry and small-fry in comparison to the plethora of fundamentalist Christian outrages including, but not limited to, the "Jesus Loves Nukes"/"Christian Just War" and genocidal "Total War on Islam" presentations that MRFF has broken to international media in the past two years.
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But what Weinstein and FOX BOTH fail to realize is that the entire thing was fucked to begin with and merely another example of FOX Faux Outrage.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.co...eligious-extremists/politics/2013/04/07/64724
If you look at the graphic at the top and do absolutely no research, no sleuthing, no picking-up-the-phone, no investigating, nothing that requires a modicum of intelligence, you might deduce that the military has labeled Evangelical Christianity as “religious extremism.”

But, if you do sixty-seconds of Googling, you would find the graphic, where it came from and the underlying text that the instructor, albeit unauthorized, shared with his students.

It reads:

Extremism is a complex phenomenon; it is defined as beliefs, attitudes, feelings, actions, or strategies of a character far removed from the “ordinary.” Because “ordinary” is subjective, no religious group would label itself extreme or its doctrine “extremism.” However, religious extremism is not limited to any single religion, ethnic group, or region of the world; every religion has some followers that believe that their beliefs, customs and traditions are the only “right way” and that all others are practicing their faith the “wrong way,” seeing and believing that their faith/religion superior to all others.
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Thats quite astounding....you use this guy's entire rant as a defense of him.....After re-reading the entire thing again, he comes across as more deranged
that the first time I read it.....Weinstein sounds as insane and fanatic in his craziness as any suicide vest wearing Muslim......

and I would say that same thing if his rant was against Muslims instead of against Christians and Catholics....

This is the kind of nut that shouldn't ever be allowed to buy a gun thats for sure......odd, that with that kind of insane and hateful type
of rhetoric he would hired they the Obama administration for anything....or maybe I have Obama all wrong in the first place.

To lump "Evangelical Christianity," and "Catholicism," into the same group as the "Sunni Muslims" , Ku Klux Klan, and "Al Quaeda" is about
as extremest as you can get and still be walking around free instead of living in a padded cell under guard.
 
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