Another tragedy brought about by yet ANOTHER "responsible" gun owner

ZappasGuitar said:
Yeah, a background check might have.

A background check may have revealed this irresponsible clown had a tendency to leave guns"standing in the corner" where small children might potentially get to it.
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I have filled out a lot of forms for background checks. But never have I been asked if I store them properly. And I certainly have never been asked whether I would leave a loaded rifle leaning in a corner when children are present. Try and stay away from stupid remarks. Background checks would NOT have changed the outcome of this situation.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Yeah, a background check might have.

A background check may have revealed this irresponsible clown had a tendency to leave guns "standing in the corner" where small children might potentially get to it.
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Absolute nonsense. What question do you think would point this out? Besides, the point of a background check is to see if they can legally buy a gun.
 
Rana said:
So, the question to ask is should parents or others be charged when a death results? What should the charges be?
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Some sort of manslaughter charge maybe. It needs to be stiff but not so severe that it doesn't give the family a decent chance to heal and recover. Bottom line there must be time served, IMO.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
More examples of the only "honest" debate Rightie gun nuts ever engage in...
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Hold on. You call someone who leaves a loaded gun in the presence of 2 small children a "responsible gun owner", you claim that background checks could have prevented this, and you have the gall to complain about a lack of honest debate??

What you have done is take an isolated incidence of parental ignorance or neglect and try to make it about all gun owners and about a failed piece of legislation. That is a far cry from honest debate.
 
cawacko said:
So this was just poor parenting and no actual law could have prevented this? As a non gun owner I am curious about the storage and trigger lock requirements. I'm not a gun guy. I don't own one and I don't go shooting them. If I ever did own a gun however it would be for safety reasons for my family. How long does it take to go from your bed while sleeping (as an example) to your storage locker and take off your safety clip? I'm thinking if you are awaken at night by a burglar in your house and you need to grab your gun quick.
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I have a small gun safe that holds my loaded Springfield. It has a biometric lock that reads my fingerprint. It will read the print and open in less than one second. I spent around $250 on it, as I recall. But there are less expensive versions that sell for less than $150. There are also numerous pistol safes that can be operated in the dark (combination locks) that cost even less.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
A background check absolutely WOULD reveal if the adults had previously left a gun out and caused an injury to someone in that house.

But you go right on making excuses for the senseless death of yet ANOTHER child...
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Utter nonsense!!

First of all, if someone was careless and left a gun out and someone was killed, do you actually think they would EVER do that again? Second of all, if the parents are prosecuted for this they will have a felony on their record and the regular background check would have shown it.

But there is absolutely nothing in the article to suggest they have ever had an unattended firearm used to cause someone harm.

Yes, you are trying to pull facts out of your ass.
 
Rana said:
So, the question to ask is should parents or others be charged when a death results? What should the charges be?
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The same charges as if they had left poinsons out or dangerous chemicals, knowing that children would have access to them - parental neglect.
 
Superfreak said:
No, but you did say that a background check would reveal if they had left guns in the corners of their houses. Which is complete nonsense.
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Then show me.


Cite the quote where I used those exact words "background checks would reveal if they had left guns in the corners".


You can't even be counted on to quote me with any honesty...it's no wonder I can't expect honest debate from you.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
And here comes the excuses from the gun nuts.

Always got an excuse for why any form of regulation is wrong.
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No, this is not an excuse. This is rational thought. Anyone who would leave a loaded rifle leaning in a corner when there are two small kids in the room would not put on a trigger lock.

Besides, in most states it is already illegal to leave a loaded firearm unattended around children. Do you really think requiring trigger locks would be a law they listened to when they ignored another law and pretty much every basic safety rule involving firearms?
 
WinterBorn said:
I have filled out a lot of forms for background checks. But never have I been asked if I store them properly. And I certainly have never been asked whether I would leave a loaded rifle leaning in a corner when children are present. Try and stay away from stupid remarks. Background checks would NOT have changed the outcome of this situation.
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but maybe if we HAD expanded background checks, such information could have been required.

Unfortunately every single idea put forth, no matter how innocuous, gets shot down as an attempt to dismantle the 2nd amendment.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Yep...right on cue here comes the same tired either/or argument from the Right.

Accoridng to them there's no room in the middle whatsoever, it's got to always be one way or the polar opposite.
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Well since you are all for legislating away tragedies tell us what "reasonable" restrictions we should put on abortion providers to prevent another Gosnell?

Your silence will be telling on this as well.
 
WinterBorn said:
No, this is not an excuse. This is rational thought. Anyone who would leave a loaded rifle leaning in a corner when there are two small kids in the room would not put on a trigger lock.
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Oh I see...you are allowed to make all the assumptions you like...I however am not afforded the same luxury.


WinterBorn said:
Besides, in most states it is already illegal to leave a loaded firearm unattended around children. Do you really think requiring trigger locks would be a law they listened to when they ignored another law and pretty much every basic safety rule involving firearms?
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Oh no...because requiring trigger locks puts us on the slippery slope to a total gun ban...ROTFLMAO!
 
ZappasGuitar said:
but maybe if we HAD expanded background checks, such information could have been required.

Unfortunately every single idea put forth, no matter how innocuous, gets shot down as an attempt to dismantle the 2nd amendment.
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So you think expanded background checks would determine if a parent would leave a loaded rifle leaning in a corner with unattended children???

WTF? What would be in their background that would still allow them to own a firearm but would show they would do something so stupid?
 
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