The insanity of blaming Islam

Dixie said:
I've given you one very major example, knowability of God. That's pretty dang fundamental, don't you agree? The same 'universal' god can certainly not be knowable and unknowable at the same time. Basic Logic 101, J-tard!

PmP and OneArm, have both presented examples, and I posted two links which are full of them. You can also do a Google search, if you aren't happy with my sources, and you'll find a great deal of links to information. I really don't know what you want us to do... we're giving you evidence, we're giving you examples, we're giving you proof, and you are just repeating... show me proof! show me examples! let me see the evidence!

Now, I am not going to try and make you accept what has been presented, because I realize you are never going to accept it, and even if you did, you'd never admit it here. But it has been presented, you have been shown the examples, the evidence, the proof. If you aren't satisfied, there are other resources you can find. I don't have any need to continue trying to get you to understand something you aren't interested in trying to understand, it's quite pointless to me. I don't have a dog in this hunt, I am not trying to 'save your soul' or convert you. I don't care what you believe, it matters nadda to me.
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You've argued from the Christian that we can't possibly comprehend God.

How does that make him/her/it "knowable"?
 
Thing1 said:
You've argued from the Christian that we can't possibly comprehend God.

How does that make him/her/it "knowable"?
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Argued from the Christian? WTF is that?

I've never argued that we can't possibly comprehend God. You are apparently perverting something that I may have said... I have said that humans lack the ability to comprehend 'what is God?' but that has nothing to do with Christianity and Judaism teaching Biblically, that God is knowable, or Muslims teaching Allah is unknowable. My personal spiritual philosophy is not a part of the debate we are having, is that what you believe debates center upon and have to be about?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Maybe, just maybe; because the Muslims understanding of God is used to justify killing anyone and everyone who doesn't believe as they do or anyone who doesn't strictly adhere to their interpretation of God's word.
Where is the Muslim's new testement, where's their "revival"?
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Hey J-tard... MORE examples! The Muslims believe in an Allah who commands them to kill infidels and Jews, unlike the Biblical God, who commands Christians and Jews to 'love thy neighbor'. Can't be the same entity!
 
Socrtease said:
Isa, which is Arabic for Jesus, which is Yeshua in Judaism, which translates into Joshua. Isa was seen as A Messenger of God. Jesus is also considered by Islam to be the Mesih which means Messiah. However, Messiah has a different connotation in Islam, than it does in Christianity. Muslim's believe that Jesus was sent to lead the Jews and provide them with a new scripture. They believe that Jesus was born of a virgin named Mary and that to be Muslim you MUST believe that Jesus is a messenger of God. Jesus is mentioned 25 times by name in the Koran. They believe that Jesus will return again, just prior to the day of judgment to restore justice and defeat the Anti-Christ.
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You lie. A few muslims may believe what you posted there, the vast majority believe none of that.. Also name a prophet that is claimed to be the Son Of God in Islam(Koran) or the bible.
Cite the sources for those lies ...
 
Dixie said:
I've given you one very major example, knowability of God. That's pretty dang fundamental, don't you agree? The same 'universal' god can certainly not be knowable and unknowable at the same time. Basic Logic 101, J-tard!

PmP and OneArm, have both presented examples, and I posted two links which are full of them. You can also do a Google search, if you aren't happy with my sources, and you'll find a great deal of links to information. I really don't know what you want us to do... we're giving you evidence, we're giving you examples, we're giving you proof, and you are just repeating... show me proof! show me examples! let me see the evidence!

Now, I am not going to try and make you accept what has been presented, because I realize you are never going to accept it, and even if you did, you'd never admit it here. But it has been presented, you have been shown the examples, the evidence, the proof. If you aren't satisfied, there are other resources you can find. I don't have any need to continue trying to get you to understand something you aren't interested in trying to understand, it's quite pointless to me. I don't have a dog in this hunt, I am not trying to 'save your soul' or convert you. I don't care what you believe, it matters nadda to me.
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This refutes these liars. The ones that ignore or deny the meaning of this Jesus's own words are either deceivers or ignorant stooges. I've posted this more than once already. Each time they ignored it!


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Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet
lol.....project much?.....
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Yes, she projects much. She somehow thinks my picking verses that are about Salvation is "cherry picking " when the subject was Salvation and the Muslims rejecting TOTALLY Jesus's divinity and Salvation.
Obviously a mind that is warped and in great need of guidance. Completely ignoring that none come to the Father unless they accept the Son.

(John 14:6) "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
 
Dixie said:
Hey J-tard... MORE examples! The Muslims believe in an Allah who commands them to kill infidels and Jews, unlike the Biblical God, who commands Christians and Jews to 'love thy neighbor'. Can't be the same entity!
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There are numerous example in the OT of Gd telling the Hebrews to slaughter and kill innocents.
 
Rana said:
There are numerous example in the OT of Gd telling the Hebrews to slaughter and kill innocents.
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not true.....God told the Hebrews to slaughter a tribe of Canaanites who practiced human sacrifice......the instances were not numerous, the slaughtered were not innocent.....
 
Rana said:
Wrong, again.

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page20.htm
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wait.....you have judged God to be guilty of atrocities?......got to admit you have balls......a bit short on brains, though....

got to love this one....
Would God make parents eat the flesh of their children?
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you don't really care how stupid you look when you post, do you.....did you actually read that site before you linked to it?....

it gets even better....the site you linked is from The Scientific Committee to Evaluate PseudoSkeptical Criticism of the Paranormal.....lol.....they really ARE idiots.....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
uh, that would be a no.....
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Um, yes, just doesn't mean the same thing to them you think it means. King David was called Messiah as well.

The Holy Quran : Chapter: 3 (Al-`Imran), Verse:46
[3:46] When the angels said, 'O Mary, God gives thee glad tidings of a son through a Word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;
 
The Holy Quran : Chapter: 4 (Al-Nisa'), Verse:172

[4:172] O People of the Book! exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of God anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah, and a fulfilment of His word which He has sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not, 'They are three.' Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, God is the only One God. Holy is He, far above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a guardian.
 
Socrtease said:
Um, yes, just doesn't mean the same thing to them you think it means. King David was called Messiah as well.
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/shakes his head.....look, if you already know it doesn't mean the same thing, why waste your time trying to use it to equate the two?........its just stupid.....and makes the dumbfucks think they aren't dumbfucks.....
 
Dixie said:
There aren't two Gods, and it's not likely an omnipotent God changed His ways... so whatever do you mean by this?

Here's what changed between the Old and New Testament... Mankind's UNDERSTANDING of God. Those who believed in the Old Testament version of God were in error, and the New Testament rectifies this error in understanding. God remains the same.
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If the Old Testament is in error, why do the Christans include it in their Bible? Why do they quote from it, demand the 10 commandments be displayed and believe the creation stories of the Bible? If it was flawed they would have discarded it.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/shakes his head.....look, if you already know it doesn't mean the same thing, why waste your time trying to use it to equate the two?........its just stupid.....and makes the dumbfucks think they aren't dumbfucks.....
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Because it is the Christian faith which has taken a Jewish term and made it what it was not. It is a misinterpretation of the word by Christians.
 
Rana said:
Islam says Judaism and Christianity have a flawed understanding of Gd. Three religions, same Gd, different understanding.

Why is it you allow the Jews and Christians to have different understandings of Gd, but not Muslims?
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theologically speaking, jesus wanted to reform judaism and mohamed wanted to reform christianity so the three religions are considered evolutionary one evolved from the other starting with judaism moving on to christianity while mohamed considered himself the last prophet after moses and jesus et. al. - judaism evolved into a monotheistic religion from a polytheistic religion - each has become corrupted over time and sundered by schisms

however, few people are interested in truth, they just want their prejudices confirmed

i suspect that each would be saddened to discover how their words have been twisted over the centuries

the 1st commandment was originally 'thou shalt have no other god before me', but evolved into 'thou shalt have no other god but me'
 
Rana said:
If the Old Testament is in error, why do the Christans include it in their Bible? Why do they quote from it, demand the 10 commandments be displayed and believe the creation stories of the Bible? If it was flawed they would have discarded it.
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From what I understand, it is so that the New Testament has a context. It is there because it is important in many fundamental ways, but the New Testament is a Reformation of Christian beliefs. It is not flawed, it is Holy and considered "The Word" of God, even though most all of it is written by men, as best we can tell. The original 'Torah' (first part of the OT) is important in establishing foundational basis for Christianity as well as Judaism. You can't discard this. The New Testament, as the name implies, is a modern 'update' on the beliefs and understandings of God's will. Jesus brings reform to the Old Testament laws, and a clarified message of love and forgiveness we are supposed to have for each other. (Seems hippie libs would be all about this?) The letters of the Disciples, and Paul of Taurus, and ending with John's apocalyptic prophecy in Revelations. Both books are important, and this is why John wrote that nothing should be added or taken away from this book.

Mormons interpret John's words to mean the book of Revelations, which is why they can claim an even 'newer' testament, the Book of Mormon. There are many other offshoots of Christian and Jewish faith, and they all vary to some degree on interpretation of the Scriptures. But they all believe in the same God, who is not Allah.
 
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