Expanded Background Checks Killed

terminal13 said:
Private transfer is legal, and most private sellers i know of follow the law to the letter. I just bought a shotgun, from a pawn shop, it took 3 days for my background check to go through. The puzzle pieces are in place. They just need to be arranged properly. Law abiding citizens are not the problem. Criminals will get a gun anyway possible. They don't obey the law as it is and the law abiding citizen gets punished.
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How is going through a background check punishment? If you have to do it at pawn shops or gun stores, why is it a punishment for private sellers?
 
Rana said:
How is going through a background check punishment? If you have to do it at pawn shops or gun stores, why is it a punishment for private sellers?
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it's acceptable to deal with it at an FFL, since that is their business, or part of it at least. It's not acceptable for private individuals who are selling their own personal property because it's nobodys business except for the buyer and seller.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it's acceptable to deal with it at an FFL, since that is their business, or part of it at least. It's not acceptable for private individuals who are selling their own personal property because it's nobodys business except for the buyer and seller.
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So...you would have no regrets if you sold a weapon to a registered psychopath that shoots up a McDonald's somewhere that could have been prevented by a simple background check? Perhaps besides the perp going to prison for the rest of his life, you should be subject to civil lawsuits for negligence by the victims' families.
 
Steelplate said:
So...you would have no regrets if you sold a weapon to a registered psychopath that shoots up a McDonald's somewhere that could have been prevented by a simple background check? Perhaps besides the perp going to prison for the rest of his life, you should be subject to civil lawsuits for negligence by the victims' families.
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hyperbole abounds.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
hyperbole abounds.
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No...perhaps that's the solution. Because private anonymous gun sales are so important to you guys...put your money and your homes and your arsenals on the line. If you fuck up and sell to a violent felon or a documented mentally I'll person, and they commit crimes with the weapon you sold, then you are liable for neglect.
 
Steelplate said:
No...perhaps that's the solution. Because private anonymous gun sales are so important to you guys...put your money and your homes and your arsenals on the line. If you fuck up and sell to a violent felon or a documented mentally I'll person, and they commit crimes with the weapon you sold, then you are liable for neglect.
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and anyone that sells a car to an alcoholic should do the same, etc. it's sad that you can't see how stupid and moronic your suggestion is.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and anyone that sells a car to an alcoholic should do the same, etc. it's sad that you can't see how stupid and moronic your suggestion is.
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Ahhh...but an alcoholic doesn't get into a car with the intent of killing someone. They just want to get home, or to the next bar, or whatever. Culpable? Yes....intentional? No.

It's sad that you have to make false equivalencies.
 
Rana said:
How is going through a background check punishment? If you have to do it at pawn shops or gun stores, why is it a punishment for private sellers?
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Because they do not have the ability to run a person through the national (and state in some cases) databases. They and the buyer would have to go to an FFL and then have the FFL run the background check. Which is quite pointless... because if it were law, a criminal would simply find someone who is willing to sell without doing so (AKA... breaking the law). So you are then simply forcing law abiding citizens to find the nearest FFL (which in many rural areas is not close).
 
Steelplate said:
No...perhaps that's the solution. Because private anonymous gun sales are so important to you guys...put your money and your homes and your arsenals on the line. If you fuck up and sell to a violent felon or a documented mentally I'll person, and they commit crimes with the weapon you sold, then you are liable for neglect.
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Ok... and you are liable for anything you sell to someone that ends up being used to harm anyone else whether by accident or on purpose. So hold on to every car you ever purchase, you never know if the person you sell to may be drunk one night and decide to go for a drive.
 
Steelplate said:
Ahhh...but an alcoholic doesn't get into a car with the intent of killing someone. They just want to get home, or to the next bar, or whatever. Culpable? Yes....intentional? No.

It's sad that you have to make false equivalencies.
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It doesn't matter their intent. You sold a car to an alcoholic... you are liable for any damage they do behind the wheel.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT???????????
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How many question marks do you need? So....by your reckoning.... alcoholics a brutal premeditated murderers?

You're an idiot grasping at straws because you know you don't have a leg to stand on....you might want to think about a nickname change.
 
Steelplate said:
How many question marks do you need? So....by your reckoning.... alcoholics a brutal premeditated murderers?

You're an idiot grasping at straws because you know you don't have a leg to stand on....you might want to think about a nickname change.
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by your reckoning, any gun buyer is a brutal premeditated murderer, so if you have a problem with me speaking your language, maybe you should try a different language.
 
Superfreak said:
It doesn't matter their intent. You sold a car to an alcoholic... you are liable for any damage they do behind the wheel.
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It does matter....it matters a great deal. Because there's no law saying that an alcoholic can't own a car. There is one that says violent felons and criminally insane people can't own a gun.
 
Steelplate said:
It does matter....it matters a great deal. Because there's no law saying that an alcoholic can't own a car. There is one that says violent felons and criminally insane people can't own a gun.
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how constitutional can the 'law' be when it denies a free man/woman the best means of self preservation?
 
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