What that crazy moonbat Palin is saying today!

NOVA said:
What do pagans need to have faith in ?......

Faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
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Pagans have faith in all kinds of different things, its a name for a catagory of faith based religen. You and Dixie are confusing Pagan with secular.
 
Dixie said:
I presented the fucking Supreme Court case which was brought by Freedom From Religion, in regards to the constitutionality of Bush's Faith Based Initiatives program, implemented in 2001 by Executive Order. It was EXACTLY what he promised when campaigning for president in 2000. It was done by EO, and not Congress, so there is no rational way to believe it would have been any different than what Bush promised, since he was the Executive who signed the Order. That's a pretty simple detail that even a retard like you should get.

As for your point about "Pagan" being based on Faith, thank you for this clarification.... So "faith-based" does not denote, endorse or respect any particular establishment of religion, by your very own admission. Sometimes, you are too 'clever' for your own good!
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The government cannot give favor to "faith based" groups anymore than non faith based groups.
 
Jarod said:
The First Amendment.
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The 1st says government can't respect an establishment of religion, and "faith-based" is not endorsing an establishment of religion, by your own admission. (also confirmed by SCOTUS) Besides... Faith-based organizations are part of "The Village" which is supposedly responsible now for raising our children. Either you actually SUPPORT that approach, or you reject it in favor of a Godless Village of Liberal Idiots!
 
I personally think that government can give assistance to faith based initiatives as long as they give money to other groups who are not based on religion.
 
maineman said:
I personally think that government can give assistance to faith based initiatives as long as they give money to other groups who are not based on religion.
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But we already do this, and have been doing this all along, it's never been prohibited. What Bush did, was to ADD the faith-based groups, which weren't able to receive federal funds. Nothing about FBI negated the billions of federal dollars spent assisting non-religious organizations every year. No one has suggested FBI replace what is already being done, with regard to assisting non-religious organizations. Yet, to this day... utter the words to a liberal, and their eyes glaze over... on their ears they go! Ready to birth yet another cow in utter faux outrage that righties are establishing theocracy.

AGAIN.... Liberals DO NOT CARE about any "village" which includes churches and faith-based organizations. That's why your fake claims that this moonbat on MSNBC was talking about "community outreach" is so fucking laughable. What we can assume you mean, is a LIBERAL community, teaching and instilling LIBERAL values, to OUR KIDS!
 
Threedee said:
You're falling into the minority on this belief among the left, because you still subscribe to a faith...
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Sorry, but your data is incorrect. As of 2012, only 12% of Republicans identify as "unaffiliated" with regard to religious views, while Democrats were at 32% and Independents at 50% People of faith, regardless of party, are still very much the majority.
 
Democrats have been turning abandonment of faith (or at least selling out) into an art for two centuries, Dixie. Maineman was a pastor, though, so I assume he is actually somewhat serious about his faith. That places him in a small minority amongst Democrats.
 
Threedee said:
Democrats have been turning abandonment of faith (or at least selling out) into an art for two centuries, Dixie. Maineman was a pastor, though, so I assume he is actually somewhat serious about his faith. That places him in a small minority amongst Democrats.
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I would say, when 68% of Democrats identify as having religious faith of some kind, the majority of Democrats are "religious." You want to somehow attribute more value to a "pastor" than just a regular "follower" and there is no basis for this except your bigoted mind, which thinks that pastors are "more religious" while followers maybe don't really mean it or aren't serious about their religion.

But let's get back to the point you were addressing and maineman's stated position of faith based initiatives. Whenever Bush was advocating for FBI, the liberals (including maineman) were staunchly opposed, said it was "bible thumpers" trying to install "theocracy" in America. They protested non-stop, screamed and moaned about the establishment clause, and stomped their feet in a huff when Bush signed the initiative by Executive Order, vowing to fight until the SCOTUS overturned it. SCOTUS ruled it was not unconstitutional and it stood, in spite of their efforts.

Now that this MSNBC moonbat has stuck her foot in her mouth, they are all running around trying to explain how they are all about community outreach and people helping people. You'll notice that maineman 'qualified' his remark, he said he would be for faith based initiatives if money was also available to non-faith based groups. Well, last I checked, Planned Parenthood wasn't a faith based group, so I think we're already giving plenty of money to non faith-based groups. So what's he talking about? Well, he's giving himself an 'out' for why he can't really support faith based initiatives. You see, the faith based initiatives program would have to also include non faith based groups, or rather... left-wing radical liberal groups, who could soak up some of that "church" money, and propagate socialism with it. And unless we're going to allow these radical socialists to get their piece of the initiative pie, we can forget about him supporting faith based initiatives.
 
Let's say an Irish Catholic immigrates to America in the 1840s. On the one hand, he can vote for the Whig Party, on the other hand, he can vote for the Democratic Party which is openly racist toward him and also hostile to his faith. Odds are, he still votes Democrat, because the urban machines have been sucking in immigrants since 1792. Now, how Catholic is this moron, really, Dixie?
 
Threedee said:
Democrats have been turning abandonment of faith (or at least selling out) into an art for two centuries, Dixie. Maineman was a pastor, though, so I assume he is actually somewhat serious about his faith. That places him in a small minority amongst Democrats.
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I am very serious about my faith, and Im VERY liberal.
 
Dixie said:
The 1st says government can't respect an establishment of religion, and "faith-based" is not endorsing an establishment of religion, by your own admission. (also confirmed by SCOTUS) Besides... Faith-based organizations are part of "The Village" which is supposedly responsible now for raising our children. Either you actually SUPPORT that approach, or you reject it in favor of a Godless Village of Liberal Idiots!
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By your own admission, faith based organizations are only PARTof the village. I am all for support of faith based orginizations, but not in support of a bias toward faith based ones over or above secular based orginizations. I am in favor of a secular and faith based village of all Americans, liberal or conservative, smart or idiotic.
 
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Gerud, as both a liberal and a lawyer, you know perfectly well that this will not fly within your party, and has been utterly beaten up in the courts for years. That's not going to change anytime soon.
 
Threedee said:
Gerud, as both a liberal and a lawyer, you know perfectly well that this will not fly within your party, and has been utterly beaten up in the courts for years. That's not going to change anytime soon.
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You are wrong, faith based orginizations get benefits from the government all the time. At the very basic level, most, if not all, have non-profit status. They can make and keep money without contributing to the community financially. They use the community services, police, roads, ect., yet they dont pay to support those services.
 
Jarod said:
By your own admission, faith based organizations are only PARTof the village. I am all for support of faith based orginizations, but not in support of a bias toward faith based ones over or above secular based orginizations. I am in favor of a secular and faith based village of all Americans, liberal or conservative, smart or idiotic.
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No, you weren't ever in support of Bush's Faith Based Initiatives program, and you still claim it's unconstitutional. It's hard to implement a program to include a specific type of group, without showing bias toward that particular group. It's like saying you're all for "civil rights" as long as it doesn't show bias toward black people! No one has EVER advocated we replace non faith-based groups who get federal funding, with faith based groups. If that is your understanding of Bush's FBI program, you are misinformed. We're already funding groups like Planned Parenthood and ACORN.... these are NOT faith based groups. We didn't have a problem with no federal funding available for non faith based organizations, the problem was the exemption of faith based groups, and FBI corrected that exemption. You were opposed.

Liberals can pretend this was all about community outreach, helping those in need, neighbors helping neighbors, it takes a village... but what you REALLY mean is, you want a Liberal village which promotes Liberal viewpoints and principles, and excludes anything religious or faith based. People need to understand, this has nothing to do with you wanting more community outreach, and everything to do with indoctrination of our children.
 
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