More Taxes On Guns and Ammo: Finally!

WinterBorn said:
LOL! I was not being sensitive to the word. I was trying to pull you back on topic and get you to discuss the issues raised by your post. But you seem to prefer focusing on other things rather than having a discussion.
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I didn't try to get off topic. I was responding to the 'phobes who were trying to divert the topic to ghey, ghey, ghey...See?

Howey said:
In that case you'd find bathhouses are probably regulated as much or more than guns.

Why should non-gun owners foot the bill for background checks, mental health testing and increased safety training?
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WinterBorn said:
The background checks that are already being done?

The safety training that the NRA has been doing (and offering to do) for 140 years?

And are you suggesting that we not only not allow the mentally ill to own guns, that we test people who want guns to see if they are mentally ill?? Really?
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Obviously background checks aren't working because they're not universal. Too many people obtain guns without one. Loopholes need to be closed. The NRA is more focused on fighting gun laws than education, and you know that. Finally, I'm not suggesting anything. Too many mentally ill are allowed to own guns, they need to be identified.
 
Howey said:
I didn't try to get off topic. I was responding to the 'phobes who were trying to divert the topic to ghey, ghey, ghey...See?
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it was exactly on topic. you want to tax a fundamental right, so we posited taxing other fundamental rights. Funny how you hoplophobes want to separate the 2nd Amendment from everything else.

Howey said:
Obviously background checks aren't working because they're not universal. Too many people obtain guns without one. Loopholes need to be closed. The NRA is more focused on fighting gun laws than education, and you know that. Finally, I'm not suggesting anything. Too many mentally ill are allowed to own guns, they need to be identified.
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what loophole? that criminals steal guns?
 
WinterBorn said:
The background checks that are already being done?

The safety training that the NRA has been doing (and offering to do) for 140 years?

And are you suggesting that we not only not allow the mentally ill to own guns, that we test people who want guns to see if they are mentally ill?? Really?
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As I was getting my daily dose of Morning Joe this morning and trying to choke my coffee down during, I thought that I might do a video of going into the local Pawn Shop and buying a gun, showing the background check that is necessary to purchase one ... and mention that stupid Joe Scarborough by name as he kept talking about the need for background checks as if there weren't any. I also thought I might do a video of the same sort of purchase at the next gun show that is in town and show the background checks that take place there too. I bought many guns from an individual who simply had an FFL and sold guns at his house for several years. I would have liked to done a video of those purchases as well, showing Joe Blowhard that even my old, out of his house gun dealer is required to do background checks. Unfortunately this friend has long since passed.

It is painfully obvious that the media, especially NBC and CNN want to keep the idea that there are no background checks, thus promoting a perceived need for new legislation, before a really uninformed people so that can continue to have that slim margin of support in the polls they are always pointing to.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it was exactly on topic. you want to tax a fundamental right, so we posited taxing other fundamental rights. Funny how you hoplophobes want to separate the 2nd Amendment from everything else.

what loophole? that criminals steal guns?
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leaningright said:
As I was getting my daily dose of Morning Joe this morning and trying to choke my coffee down during, I thought that I might do a video of going into the local Pawn Shop and buying a gun, showing the background check that is necessary to purchase one ... and mention that stupid Joe Scarborough by name as he kept talking about the need for background checks as if there weren't any. I also thought I might do a video of the same sort of purchase at the next gun show that is in town and show the background checks that take place there too. I bought many guns from an individual who simply had an FFL and sold guns at his house for several years. I would have liked to done a video of those purchases as well, showing Joe Blowhard that even my old, out of his house gun dealer is required to do background checks. Unfortunately this friend has long since passed.

It is painfully obvious that the media, especially NBC and CNN want to keep the idea that there are no background checks, thus promoting a perceived need for new legislation, before a really uninformed people so that can continue to have that slim margin of support in the polls they are always pointing to.
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Loopholes allowing purchase of weapons without background checks are numerous. Educate yourselves.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
YOU try educating yourself, like why were private sales between private individuals EXEMPTED from background checks.
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He does not know and does not give a damn why they were exempted. All he knows is gay = good, gun = bad. He has a Tarzan thing going on , likely with another gun hating Tarzan . While he and his playmate demand their right to do filthy sex acts with each other be protected they demand law abiding citizen's rights to own guns be taken away! It arrogance and hypocrisy in double doses but what should one expect from a gay warrior championing his perversion? Little Howey thinks the world should concentrate of upholding his moral values over that of the moral values of the world's majority. All the while he gets to self righteously call for decent people to be denied their right to be able to defend themselves.
 
Howey said:
Why not? Gun buyers don't seem to pay the outrageous prices charged by dealers and ammo sellers based upon fear, so why not create a tax on sales to educate the public on *gun safety*, pay for buyback programs, provide help to victims of gun violence, etc?

$25 per gun sounds good to me. How about $10 a box of ammo?

Some states and counties are studying whether to tax gun and ammunition purchases. Supporters hope to discourage gun violence or pay for damage it causes.
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I'm going to argue this using the same tactic that libs use arguing for gay marriage. It doesn't affect me (I can afford it) so who cares?
 
Howey said:
Why were they?
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the brady campaign and Clinton wanted to get rid of the 'kitchen table' FFL, in other words, they wanted to reduce the number of licensed gun dealers, BUT this new background check law would require all of those small time dealers to access NICS, so the government said we'll exempt private sales (those that sell guns as a business, but not for a living). So it is not a loophole. It's an intended effect of the background check law.
 
Howey said:
Loopholes allowing purchase of weapons without background checks are numerous. Educate yourselves.
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And do you want to change exemption for private sales? Think about what you are suggesting. Do you really want every person in the US to be able to perform a background check on you? Really?
 
WinterBorn said:
And do you want to change exemption for private sales? Think about what you are suggesting. Do you really want every person in the US to be able to perform a background check on you? Really?
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Huh? Did I say that? When will I, or anyone, buy a gun from every US citizen?

If Joe Blow the future serial killer buys a gun from John Doe, John Doe should be required to complete a background check.
 
Thithicus said:
Howey, even an avowed fist-pumping Socialist says your idea stinks. I think the time for reflection has come.
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It's not the socialist who've opposed gun rights. It's been the center right liberals. And, personally, I want striking workers to be armed to protect themselves from police and employers.
 
Sea Bird said:
It's not the socialist who've opposed gun rights. It's been the center right liberals. And, personally, I want striking workers to be armed to protect themselves from police and employers.
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...~the fuck is a "center right liberal?"

SeaBirdbrain, you need to back off the crack pipe. Just sayin'.
 
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.”
- Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942

Nazi Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”
- Joseph Stalin

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. By 1987 that figure had risen to 61,911,000.

“The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. … They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.”
- Benito Mussolini, address to the Italian Senate, 1931

“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”
- Mao Tze Tung, Nov 6 1938

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 10,076,000 political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated in Kuomintang China, and by 1987 another 35,236,000 exterminations were carried out under the Communists.

“I did not join the resistance movement to kill people, to kill the nation. Look at me now. Am I a savage person? My conscience is clear.”
- Pol Pot

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. Between 1975 and 19793, 2,035,000 “educated” people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

During the short four years of its rule in Cambodia, Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge government murdered over 31 percent of the entire Cambodian population.

“Armas para que? (“Guns, for what?”)”
A response to Cuban citizens who said the people might need to keep their guns, after Castro announced strict gun control in Cuba.
- Fidel Castro
 
Howey said:
Huh? Did I say that? When will I, or anyone, buy a gun from every US citizen?

If Joe Blow the future serial killer buys a gun from John Doe, John Doe should be required to complete a background check.
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Then you are opening it up to everyone in the US. Whether they use it or not is not the point, but if you require a background check for every private sale, then every citizen will have access to the system.
 
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