Poll: Majority of US for legal pot

Thing1 said:
That's really what it comes down to, when you think about it. What business is it of anyone else's if someone wants to get high just for fun? Anyone who tries to make the argument that pot incites dangerous behavior deserves ridicule.

And I couldn't agree more about some of the current "legal" methods of treating problems like insomnia. The side effects are ridiculous, and for anyone who doesn't want to deal with them, it's a hell of a lot more dangerous to have someoe who hasn't slept well out on the road that it would be to just prescribe him/her marijuana so they could get a good night's sleep.

It all makes way too much sense; I guess it's the gov't's job to consistently take the nonsensical position on things.
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It's by far the most effective sleep aid I have ever used. And I do get insomnia. Even the OTC stuff like Tylenol PM make me groggy in the morning. Like a hangover. And they are bad for your liver. I would never even touch the prescription stuff.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
Look at the numbers in the survey.
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When you have 40% of the Dems also saying it should not be legal, when you have prosecution under Obama admin higher than it was under Bush, it should be stated that both parties are doing their damage. Looking at a poll of the populace alone, yes, it is 60/40 Dems in favor of legalization and the reverse for Reps. So more Dems favor it than Reps as a percentage. But you still have 40% Dems against. You still have national Dem politicians dropping the hammer. So it is quite silly to pretend it is predominantly Reps that are on the wrong side of this issue.
 
Darla said:
It's by far the most effective sleep aid I have ever used. And I do get insomnia. Even the OTC stuff like Tylenol PM make me groggy in the morning. Like a hangover. And they are bad for your liver. I would never even touch the prescription stuff.
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Melatonin... with or without the MJ... also very effective.
 
Darla said:
It's by far the most effective sleep aid I have ever used. And I do get insomnia. Even the OTC stuff like Tylenol PM make me groggy in the morning. Like a hangover. And they are bad for your liver. I would never even touch the prescription stuff.
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I tried Lunesta. It really sucked. For starters, even though you sleep through the night, you don't feel like you slept (it didn't seem like I dreamed at all). You wake up with a nearly intolerable metallic taste in your mouth that lasts for a couple of hours, and a headache.

Yay for big pharma. I wonder how much of a part they play in keeping marijuana illegal.
 
patriot66 said:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

Health_Concerns: WHAT ARE THE MEDICAL DANGERS OF MARIJUANA USE?

I must preface these statements with the remark that there is still a great deal of research to be done concerning the effects of marijuana on the health of humans due to the fact that widespread marijuana use has only become prevalent in this country within the last three decades, so the effects of long-term use are just beginning to become apparent. I should also add that in making these observations, I have concentrated on the risks of smoking natural marijuana, since it is the most effective method of ingesting its active cannabinoids.

Marijuana has often been touted as one of the safest recreational substances available. This is perhaps true; many reputable scientific studies support the conclusion that cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and even cigarettes are more dangerous to the user�s health than marijuana.
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Wow, some REAAALLLLLLLY old page complete with crappy backgrounds and broken links tell us that is safer than alcohol or cigarettes. Good find.
 
Superfreak said:
When you have 40% of the Dems also saying it should not be legal, when you have prosecution under Obama admin higher than it was under Bush, it should be stated that both parties are doing their damage. Looking at a poll of the populace alone, yes, it is 60/40 Dems in favor of legalization and the reverse for Reps. So more Dems favor it than Reps as a percentage. But you still have 40% Dems against. You still have national Dem politicians dropping the hammer. So it is quite silly to pretend it is predominantly Reps that are on the wrong side of this issue.
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But a majority of Dems are on the right side of the issue (with similar numbers to independents) and a majority of Reps are on the wrong side of the issue. Does Obama doesn't count as 21% of all Democrats or something?
 
Dungheap said:
But a majority of Dems are on the right side of the issue (with similar numbers to independents) and a majority of Reps are on the wrong side of the issue. Does Obama doesn't count as 21% of all Democrats or something?
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Who has more control over legalization and prosecution? Obama? or the 60% of Dems in favor?

As I stated several times on the thread... I agree more dems than reps are in favor. It is just silly to pretend it is just Reps on the wrong side when your Democratic leaders are prosecuting and busting more MJ growers/distributors/users than the previous admin did. Do you understand the difference between total populace and the leaders in DC?
 
Superfreak said:
When you have 40% of the Dems also saying it should not be legal, when you have prosecution under Obama admin higher than it was under Bush, it should be stated that both parties are doing their damage. Looking at a poll of the populace alone, yes, it is 60/40 Dems in favor of legalization and the reverse for Reps. So more Dems favor it than Reps as a percentage. But you still have 40% Dems against. You still have national Dem politicians dropping the hammer. So it is quite silly to pretend it is predominantly Reps that are on the wrong side of this issue.
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Do you have a valid source to support your assertion that Obama has prosecuted more than Bush? I have heard this assertion repeated over and over again by the apologists for right wing drug warriors but no real proof is offered.

According to the FBI arrests were down, but this is not just a function of the President.
http://radicalruss.com/chart-marijuana-arrests-down-over-11-over-obamas-first-term/
 
Let's revisit:

Superfreak said:
You still have national Dem politicians dropping the hammer. So it is quite silly to pretend it is predominantly Reps that are on the wrong side of this issue.
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Where Democrats and independents are 60-40 in favor of legalization and Republicans are 60-40 opposed, it's pretty clear that it is indeed predominantly Reps that are wrong side of the issue. Maybe you just don't know what predominantly means.

Now, you could argue that Obama is the most powerful politician on the wrong side of the issue, and I'd agree with you, but that doesn't change the above facts.
 
I think we tend to see it as more of a "Republican sensibility" to oppose legalization, even when Democrats do it. Because it's a reactionary position, and one that is more beholden to corporate interests than the rights of the common man.

Obama has certainly been horrible on this issue, though -and that counts for a lot of points against the party that nominated him in general.
 
Darla said:
I don't like the way we separate medical marijuana from recreational use. To me it really smacks of the way many pro-choicers allow themselves to be put on the defensive by using the "well what about if she's raped? what if her life is in danger?" argument. I always say, what if she doesn't want a effing baby? You go down a shaky path when you start to make moral arguments because you are then conceding that this is a moral issue. It's not. What business is it of yours if someone wants to get high because it's fun? Society only takes an interest when they get behind the wheel of a car, this is the same as drinking, period.

Also, it never ceases to amaze me that I can go to any doctor, say I am stressed, or I am having insomnia and they will write me a script right there. Then I can go online and read that possible side effects "include but are not limited to: nausea, (they always start with nausea and hope you won't read any further) bone disintegration, suicidal thoughts, sudden onset brain hemorrhaging, swollen limbs, amputation, and in rare cases, spontaneous human combustion has been reported." I mean, WTF?

Or I can light up a joint, take three tokes, and go the eff to sleep without blood suddenly exploding out of my eyes and ears during the night.

Really, when you sit down and look at it? This whole entire system is a complete joke.
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it's also the reason I don't like the idea of 'legalizing' for tax purposes. it still gives anyone a foot in the door to restrict or prohibit a use that they don't agree with.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
Do you have a valid source to support your assertion that Obama has prosecuted more than Bush? I have heard this assertion repeated over and over again by the apologists for right wing drug warriors but no real proof is offered.

According to the FBI arrests were down, but this is not just a function of the President.
http://radicalruss.com/chart-marijuana-arrests-down-over-11-over-obamas-first-term/
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While none of these are 'radicalruss.com', hopefully you will deem them worthy...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obamas-war-on-pot-20120216

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/04/marijuana_obama_prosecution_rolling_stone.php

http://nyulocal.com/opinion/2012/09/27/as-bad-as-bush-obamas-five-biggest-08-campaign-reversals/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/obama-marijuana-raids-rolling-stone_n_1451744.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/one-marijuana-arrest-occu_n_2041236.html

ok, this one might be on par with radical russ...

http://marijuana-arrests.com/US-arrests.html
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
Do you have a valid source to support your assertion that Obama has prosecuted more than Bush? I have heard this assertion repeated over and over again by the apologists for right wing drug warriors but no real proof is offered.

According to the FBI arrests were down, but this is not just a function of the President.
http://radicalruss.com/chart-marijuana-arrests-down-over-11-over-obamas-first-term/
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that said... can't help but notice the massive increase on radical russ's site under Clinton.

Also:

Police agencies reported an estimated 757,969 marijuana arrests, which made up almost half of the over 1.5 million drug arrests for 2011. Police made 853,838 marijuana arrests in 2010 and 858,408 marijuana arrests in 2009, representing the two greatest annual arrest totals in the 42 years of Drug War. By contrast, the 2011 arrest totals are the lowest number in eight years and the decline of 95,869 marijuana arrests makes for the largest one-year drop in marijuana arrests overall and the fifth-largest one-year drop by percentage.


The decline of 11% in marijuana arrests over the first three years of President Obama’s term marks the largest percentage drop of any presidential term in twenty years.
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Funny how radical russ touts the one year drop as if it is a great accomplishment. When it comes on the back of the two largest arrest years on record, not really saying a lot.
 
Probably a good idea to focus on federal marijuana charges if your looking to pin arrests on Obama. He doesn't control what state and local police do.
 
Dungheap said:
Let's revisit:
Where Dmocrats and independents are 60-40 in favor of legalization and Republicans are 60-40 opposed, it's pretty clear that it is indeed predominantly Reps that are wrong side of the issue. Maybe you just don't know what predominantly means.

Now, you could argue that Obama is the most powerful politician on the wrong side of the issue, and I'd agree with you, but that doesn't change the above facts.
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When you learn the difference between National Dem policitians and the general populace, let me know...

I already stated more Dems than Reps favor legalization in the general populace. When you have 40% of Dems in the populace on the wrong side of the issue, that is still a pretty big number as well.

I have not argued the stats of the populace you dolt. I have stated it is silly to pretend it is just Reps or predominantly Reps. You still have 40% of Dems against and 40% of Reps for. You still have the Obama admin and Dem leadership in Congress not doing anything to change the stupid drug war. That is my point.
 
Dungheap said:
Probably a good idea to focus on federal marijuana charges if your looking to pin arrests on Obama. He doesn't control what state and local police do.
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I disagree with that. Fed policy doesn't exist in a vacuum. If the Feds weren't so aggressive about their anti-pot policy, the locals would likely back off more.

Obama has had many chances to lead on this issue, and make a change to his admin's policy.
 
Superfreak said:
In terms of populace, I agree with you. More Dems are in favor of legalization than Reps. In terms of state governments I would also agree. But on the national level... Dems like Clinton and Obama were both worse than Bush in terms of prosecution and using the DEA to hammer MJ growers/distributors/users
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That well may be true. Reagan is the one who is most associated with the strict enforcement and zero tolerance measures. The drug war really started with RR.
 
Superfreak said:
When you learn the difference between National Dem policitians and the general populace, let me know...

I already stated more Dems than Reps favor legalization in the general populace. When you have 40% of Dems in the populace on the wrong side of the issue, that is still a pretty big number as well.

I have not argued the stats of the populace you dolt. I have stated it is silly to pretend it is just Reps or predominantly Reps. You still have 40% of Dems against and 40% of Reps for. You still have the Obama admin and Dem leadership in Congress not doing anything to change the stupid drug war. That is my point.
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The bold is a legitimate point. The rest is noise. Really stupid noise.
 
 
Jarod said:
That well may be true. Reagan is the one who is most associated with the strict enforcement and zero tolerance measures. The drug war really started with RR.
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Provide us with some evidence of that Jarod. The FBI data suggests otherwise. According to their data the number decreased during Reagans tenure.

Also... the drug war started with Nixon, not Reagan
 
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