Rand Paul insane.

I'll beat Jarod to the punch and ask (out of curiosity) how does Jarod sound like Cheney?

Cheney uses the same sort of situational ethics arguments. The memo did not limit the executions to cases where lives were in immediate danger.
 
Since when has law enforcement not been alowed to kill Americans in certian limited situations?
So we're expanding direct threat of an immediate nature to, "whenever we feel like it". Now instead of having to be pointing a gun at the police, i can be walking down the street without so much as a weapon on me, and hellfire away. I wonder if they'll double tap the poor guys who come to see why there's a crater outside their house.

Yes, I can see how that's totally the same thing.
 
Jarod, i thought you would be aware of the CIA and terrorism and American citizens.

It was not an attempt not to answer. I was surprised by your question.

Sanna Sanna Colito de Rana....

I thought you would be awaire that the CIA has nothing to do with the drone program.
 
describe the situation briefly.
I didn't listen to Holder's doublespeak. Quote him if you claim he's laid out a scenario in which a drone strike would not be premeditated.

Neither he nor I have described such a situation. It simply could be imagined.

Lets say a group of armed terrorists storm and take over the Plaza Hotel in NYC. The building is on fire and they are exicuting hostages every 20 min's until we meet there demand that Osama's body be returned to them.

Survalance technology shows that the terrorist are all in the penthouse and they are dumb enough to be keeping the hostages on a seperate floor. We happen to have a drone in the area with the ability to destroy the penthouse without harming the hostages. Would it not be legal, under long existing law, for Law Enforcement to use that drone to kill those hostages?
 
So we're expanding direct threat of an immediate nature to, "whenever we feel like it". Now instead of having to be pointing a gun at the police, i can be walking down the street without so much as a weapon on me, and hellfire away. I wonder if they'll double tap the poor guys who come to see why there's a crater outside their house.

Yes, I can see how that's totally the same thing.

THat is not what Holder said would be legal.
 
Jarod, your myopic focus on Rand Paul's stupid question and Holder's unremarkable response instead of the bigger picture of drone strikes and the President's claimed authority to kill U.S. citizens under specific circumstances in which there is no imminent threat to the United States or its citizens isn't clever. It's asinine.
 
Neither he nor I have described such a situation. It simply could be imagined.

Lets say a group of armed terrorists storm and take over the Plaza Hotel in NYC. The building is on fire and they are exicuting hostages every 20 min's until we meet there demand that Osama's body be returned to them.

Well then, we would just send in John fuckin McClane. Yippee Ki-yay muther fucker.
 
Jarod, your myopic focus on Rand Paul's stupid question and Holder's unremarkable response instead of the bigger picture of drone strikes and the President's claimed authority to kill U.S. citizens under specific circumstances in which there is no imminent threat to the United States or its citizens isn't clever. It's asinine.

My point is that Holders comment was CORRECT, it was not outragous, it is a reflection of reality. THere well may be plenty to complain about in the Drone Program, but this is not the place to start. Rand Paul is making a fool of himself by using this narrow point.
 
My point is that Holders comment was CORRECT, it was not outragous, it is a reflection of reality. THere well may be plenty to complain about in the Drone Program, but this is not the place to start. Rand Paul is making a fool of himself by using this narrow point.


Any place is a good place to start. After all, it's a start. It isn't the whole she-bang. That's why your myopic focus on this very narrow point is asinine. Rand Paul's criticisms are much more broad than that.
 
Any place is a good place to start. After all, it's a start. It isn't the whole she-bang. That's why your myopic focus on this very narrow point is asinine. Rand Paul's criticisms are much more broad than that.

Then he should have said that, what he said was that he was upset by Holders comment that he could imagine a situation where the executive branch could use a drone to kill Americans in the USA.

If you are going to argue a point, dont start with the one legit point the other side made.
 
Then he should have said that, what he said was that he was upset by Holders comment that he could imagine a situation where the executive branch could use a drone to kill Americans in the USA.

If you are going to argue a point, dont start with the one legit point the other side made.


Dude, the guy spoke for, like, 13 hours. I imagine he said quite a bit more than that he was upset by Holder's comment. You're being asinine.
 
Dude, the guy spoke for, like, 13 hours. I imagine he said quite a bit more than that he was upset by Holder's comment. You're being asinine.

That was his justification for doing what he did, when he did it. Sorry but you should pay attention. He was pretending Holder's comments were what set him off.

He needed to pretend to have a spark to start his political stunt.
 
Dung,
Maybe we are going to make some progress. Now that we have cut through all the name calling and emotional rhetoric from those who are upset by my point.
What specifically do you have a problem with regarding PresidentObama's drone program?
 
That was his justification for doing what he did, when he did it. Sorry but you should pay attention. He was pretending Holder's comments were what set him off.

He needed to pretend to have a spark to start his political stunt.


Agreed. How does that make him insane and how does that render his legitimate points invalid?
 
Neither he nor I have described such a situation. It simply could be imagined.

Lets say a group of armed terrorists storm and take over the Plaza Hotel in NYC. The building is on fire and they are exicuting hostages every 20 min's until we meet there demand that Osama's body be returned to them.

Survalance technology shows that the terrorist are all in the penthouse and they are dumb enough to be keeping the hostages on a seperate floor...

I stopped reading when you made the terrorists comic book bad guys. If you have to imagine criminals so stupid they hand you opportunities to defeat themselves in order to make your premise, you need to rethink your position.
 
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