You just can't make this stuff up....

[Timshel]

Thats the point....calling a garbage man, a sanitation engineer doesn't change his status...in plain unadorned English, he collects garbage, thus, he is a garbageman...

Same with an illegal alien, illegal immigrant, etc....he IS here illegally, and in plain unadorned English, he or she is an illegal whatever....
using a euphemism won't change that fact...

Tolerance has nothing to do with the accuracy of calling a spade a spade...or if you prefer, a club a club....

This, from the link..."Mr. Vargas, who “came out” as an illegal immigrant several years ago, delivered an emotional plea for the country to legalize him.

So I don't see whats unclear to you.....

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...lls-congress-not-call-him-ille/#ixzz2KtnGJWpY

like I said before....speaking factually and truthfully, especially when it concerns minorities, puts one at risk of being called a bigot or racist....
some of you just can't seem to accept the truth about some issues....
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In plain unadorned English he works in sanitation thus he is a sanitation engineer. Many of the titles were changed to get rid of the gender components. Garbage person sounds a little derogatory. But again, it really does not matter so why do you care.

Here illegally is not accurate since no such ruling has necessarily been found in a specific instance. Vargas has not been found to be here illegally. You are assuming guilt.

I said it was not clear that he entered illegally. I am not sure what is wrong with your understanding of those words. That someone used the euphemism that you routinely confuse as meaning illegal entry to describe him does not prove anything.

You are a bigot and moron for this and much more. It's not one issue. You insist on being an ignorant bigot.

 

[NOVA]

In plain unadorned English he works in sanitation thus he is a sanitation engineer. Many of the titles were changed to get rid of the gender components. Garbage person sounds a little derogatory. But again, it really does not matter so why do you care.

Here illegally is not accurate since no such ruling has necessarily been found in a specific instance. Vargas has not been found to be here illegally. You are assuming guilt.

I said it was not clear that he entered illegally. I am not sure what is wrong with your understanding of those words. That someone used the euphemism that you routinely confuse as meaning illegal entry to describe him does not prove anything.

You are a bigot and moron for this and much more. It's not one issue. You insist on being an ignorant bigot.

Now you claim a garbage collecter is an engineer ?....Really ?.....What college awards that degree or is it more like a railroad engineer...?

Derogatory is in the eye of the individual....if you collect garbage, you collect garbage, thats just the truth, like it or not....man or women.

Vargas is illegal by his own admission, ....according to the article..I, personally don't know the details and I never claimed to
..so I am not sure what is wrong with your understanding of those words.

if you weren't born in the US and have no documents, you MUST be here without gov. permission and are by definition, an illegal,....again, thats just the truth,
like it or not....ergo, I am not sure what is wrong with your understanding of those words.

The accusation of me being a bigot, moron, and ignorant just proves you've nothing but name calling and bullshit on your side....
thats, as always, is the last resort of the loser of a disagreement.....or an attempt to move the discussion to an irrelevant side issue.

Kinda different coming from you, I normally expect that from Howey the Scumbag, Thingy1, Darla and Rana and some others...but we see, you're no different.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Timshel]

Now you claim a garbage collecter is an engineer ?....Really ?.....What college awards that degree or is it more like a railroad engineer...?

Derogatory is in the eye of the individual....if you collect garbage, you collect garbage, thats just the truth, like it or not....man or women.

Vargas is illegal by his own admission, ....according to the article..I, personally don't know the details and I never claimed to
..so I am not sure what is wrong with your understanding of those words.

if you weren't born in the US and have no documents, you MUST be here without gov. permission and are by definition, an illegal,....again, thats just the truth,
like it or not....ergo, I am not sure what is wrong with your understanding of those words.

The accusation of me being a bigot, moron, and ignorant just proves you've nothing but name calling and bullshit on your side....
thats, as always, is the last resort of the loser of a disagreement.....or an attempt to move the discussion to an irrelevant side issue.

Kinda different coming from you, I normally expect that from Howey the Scumbag, Thingy1, Darla and Rana and some others...but we see, you're no different.

Thanks for playing.

Who said anything about a degree? Are you just upset that you don't have a fancy sounding title?

I am sure garbage collector is used in some locations. Again, if it does not matter, who cares?

No, Vargas refers to himself as an undocumented immigrant which is more accurate. The writer used illegal immigrant.

Again, illegal implies an assumption of guilt and to some extent guilt of a crime.

You are the one trying to change the subject away from your error once again. Why don't you just admit that you are wrong about implying that he entered illegally? Maybe it will help you avoid making the same mistake over and over for another decade? I think, it is because you intend to spread misinformation. You don't appear to care about accuracy.

 

[NOVA]

Who said anything about a degree? Are you just upset that you don't have a fancy sounding title?

I am sure garbage collector is used in some locations. Again, if it does not matter, who cares?

No, Vargas refers to himself as an undocumented immigrant which is more accurate. The writer used illegal immigrant.

Again, illegal implies an assumption of guilt and to some extent guilt of a crime.

You are the one trying to change the subject away from your error once again. Why don't you just admit that you are wrong about implying that he entered illegally? Maybe it will help you avoid making the same mistake over and over for another decade? I think, it is because you intend to spread misinformation. You don't appear to care about accuracy.

Still playing.....a person that collects garbage is a garbage collector....no fancy title will change that fact...and it IS the most accurate way to describe that occupation ...
Is English not your native language ?
Vargas 'prefers' undocumented immigrant.....you need to understand definitions.....and read the US CODE 8 USC § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

ILLEGAL ALIEN: An "illegal alien" is a foreigner who (1) does not owe allegiance to our country; and (2) who has violated our laws and customs in establishing residence in our country. He or she is therefore a criminal under applicable U.S. laws.

The term "illegal alien" is used by U.S. citizens who believe that non-citizens entering our country must comply with our immigration laws.

The term "illegal alien" is predicated upon U.S. immigration law which requires foreigners entering the U.S. to comply with our country's rules and laws regarding entry into, and residence within, our country.

UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT: The term "undocumented immigrant" is an oxymoron (the parts conflict). An immigrant is synonymous with "permanent legal resident." The old term for the document authorizing a permanent legal resident is "green card." The term "undocumented" is derived from the accurate term "undocumented aliens" who are often called "border crossers." Proper terms are "illegal alien" or "undocumented alien" but not "undocumented immigrant." Although not commonly used, the term "documented alien" accurately refers to foreign nationals who have an unexpired non-immigrant visa such as H-1B.

Most U.S. citizens do not use the term "undocumented immigrant" and prefer, instead, the more descriptive and accurate term "illegal alien".

 

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Yeah, I don't believe people are illegal. I like String's post about this.

 

[Bonestorm]

I love Adversity.net's tagline: "For Victims of Reverse Discrimination." LOLers.

 

[Howey]

Still playing.....a person that collects garbage is a garbage collector....no fancy title will change that fact...and it IS the most accurate way to describe that occupation ...
Is English not your native language ?
Vargas 'prefers' undocumented immigrant.....you need to understand definitions.....and read the US CODE 8 USC § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

ILLEGAL ALIEN: An "illegal alien" is a foreigner who (1) does not owe allegiance to our country; and (2) who has violated our laws and customs in establishing residence in our country. He or she is therefore a criminal under applicable U.S. laws.

The term "illegal alien" is used by U.S. citizens who believe that non-citizens entering our country must comply with our immigration laws.

The term "illegal alien" is predicated upon U.S. immigration law which requires foreigners entering the U.S. to comply with our country's rules and laws regarding entry into, and residence within, our country.

UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT: The term "undocumented immigrant" is an oxymoron (the parts conflict). An immigrant is synonymous with "permanent legal resident." The old term for the document authorizing a permanent legal resident is "green card." The term "undocumented" is derived from the accurate term "undocumented aliens" who are often called "border crossers." Proper terms are "illegal alien" or "undocumented alien" but not "undocumented immigrant." Although not commonly used, the term "documented alien" accurately refers to foreign nationals who have an unexpired non-immigrant visa such as H-1B.

Most U.S. citizens do not use the term "undocumented immigrant" and prefer, instead, the more descriptive and accurate term "illegal alien".

I love Adversity.net's tagline: "For Victims of Reverse Discrimination." LOLers.

I didn't see where he came up with that. He didn't cite his source, did he?

But yeah...here it is:

http://www.adversity.net/Terms_Definitions/TERMS/Illegal-Undocumented.htm

I don't really think Bravo's been a "victim" of reverse discrimation, unless Forrest Gump beat him out of the chance to work on a shrimp boat.

 

[NOVA]

Yeah, I don't believe people are illegal. I like String's post about this.

But you see, its not a matter of what you like....its a matter of FACT...like it or not.


The unauthorized resident immigrant population is defined as all foreign-born non-citizens who are not legal residents. Most unauthorized residents either entered the United States without inspection or were admitted temporarily and stayed past the date they were required to leave. . ." - United States Department of Homeland Security

"Nearly half of the 12 million-plus illegal aliens in America arrived legally with temporary, non-immigrant visas. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimates that a 'substantial' percentage of America’s illegal population is made up of visa overstays — their estimates range from 27 to 57 percent. . ."

- David Seminara, CIS Fellow
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[NOVA]

According to you, you are not a bigot. But see, when people call you a bigot or racist they mean to be confrontational and to challenge the views you are expressing. With "illegal immigrant" you are creating a confrontation over some silly technicality about the status of someone's legal residence. It's your choice.

We have all heard your song and dance about how hard it is for dumbfuck racists to suffer for their intolerance. It's gotten old and nobody who matters cares.

Breaking the law or obeying the law is hardly a some silly technicality......

 

[Rune]

According to you, you are not a bigot. But see, when people call you a bigot or racist they mean to be confrontational and to challenge the views you are expressing. With "illegal immigrant" you are creating a confrontation over some silly technicality about the status of someone's legal residence. It's your choice.

We have all heard your song and dance about how hard it is for dumbfuck racists to suffer for their intolerance. It's gotten old and nobody who matters cares.

Great post.

 

[NOVA]

So I'll repeat for you, pRune......Breaking the law or obeying the law is hardly a some silly technicality......

Reminds me of the movie line..."You can't handle the truth" from A Few Good Men.

See US Code-8 USC § 1325 - Improper entry by alien......its the law.

And for the record....I dislike "dumbfuck racists" just as much as I dislike "dumbfuck liberals".....same family tree, different branch.

 

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No one has a problem understanding the rationale for referring to them as illegal immigrants. The dysfunction is in those who don't understand why it is an unwelcomed label.

Thought experiments presented by the thoughtless...

Losing an xbox is not comparable to being ripped out of the only society/culture you know and deported to some strange land based on which side of an imaginary line you were born. A parent who steals an xbox for their child deprives the proper owner of the xbox. By being brought here no other person was deprived of any property. Immigration is not a zero sum game; stealing is.

A more apt analogy would be to compare it to some guy that built his home without getting the proper permit. The state finds out 20-30 years later and decides to tear it down and make his heirs homeless.

Enforcing the law in such a way does not advance justice.

I don't care if it is unwelcome or not. They are law breakers and should not be rewarded for breaking the law. Bottom line is that if they were solid GOP voters, you left wingers would be building the wall yourself. Spare me your concern for the hispanics. You just see them as a reliable voting bloc. Unfortunately, like the blacks, they are too stupid to realize that they are being used by left wingers to further left wing goals.

Hispanics should look at what unquestioned loyalty to the democrat party has gotten the blacks before they hitch their wagon to that racist horse

 

[Timshel]

Still playing.....a person that collects garbage is a garbage collector....no fancy title will change that fact...and it IS the most accurate way to describe that occupation ...
Is English not your native language ?
Vargas 'prefers' undocumented immigrant.....you need to understand definitions.....and read the US CODE 8 USC § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

ILLEGAL ALIEN: An "illegal alien" is a foreigner who (1) does not owe allegiance to our country; and (2) who has violated our laws and customs in establishing residence in our country. He or she is therefore a criminal under applicable U.S. laws.

The term "illegal alien" is used by U.S. citizens who believe that non-citizens entering our country must comply with our immigration laws.

The term "illegal alien" is predicated upon U.S. immigration law which requires foreigners entering the U.S. to comply with our country's rules and laws regarding entry into, and residence within, our country.

UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT: The term "undocumented immigrant" is an oxymoron (the parts conflict). An immigrant is synonymous with "permanent legal resident." The old term for the document authorizing a permanent legal resident is "green card." The term "undocumented" is derived from the accurate term "undocumented aliens" who are often called "border crossers." Proper terms are "illegal alien" or "undocumented alien" but not "undocumented immigrant." Although not commonly used, the term "documented alien" accurately refers to foreign nationals who have an unexpired non-immigrant visa such as H-1B.

Most U.S. citizens do not use the term "undocumented immigrant" and prefer, instead, the more descriptive and accurate term "illegal alien".

Again, there is nothing linguistcally wrong with sanitation engineer. I agree it is somewhat silly and engineer implies something more than garbage collection but again who cares. It's a label and really has no definite meaning.

Again, it is not clear that Vargas entered illegaly. If you have poof to the contrary present it.

According to you, immigrant means permanent LEGAL resident and illegal immigrant is not an oxymoron? You are not making sense.

 

[Timshel]

I don't care if it is unwelcome or not. They are law breakers and should not be rewarded for breaking the law. Bottom line is that if they were solid GOP voters, you left wingers would be building the wall yourself. Spare me your concern for the hispanics. You just see them as a reliable voting bloc. Unfortunately, like the blacks, they are too stupid to realize that they are being used by left wingers to further left wing goals.

Hispanics should look at what unquestioned loyalty to the democrat party has gotten the blacks before they hitch their wagon to that racist horse

I am not a left winger. I doubt many of them will vote libertarian and so your ad hom does not really work.

 

[Timshel]

Breaking the law or obeying the law is hardly a some silly technicality......

Again, Vargas did not intentionally break the law.

For many losing their legal status is a technicality. It's like driving with an expired tag, working under the table or doing something without all the proper permits. It may violate the law but its not a crime on the level with theft or battery.

 

[NOVA]

Again, Vargas did not intentionally break the law.

For many losing their legal status is a technicality. It's like driving with an expired tag, working under the table or doing something without all the proper permits. It may violate the law but its not a crime on the level with theft or battery.

Why don't you just call it quits....give it a rest....

Breaking the law is breaking the law...intentional or not.....

You may not intend to speed, but you will get a ticket just the same.
You may forget to file your taxes, but you will be assessed tax and penalties....
You may not have intended to hit that bike rider you didn't notice with your car, but you will be held responsible

You could go to jail over a technicality.
You never heard the old adage, ignorance of the law is no excuse ?

You picked a losing argument, get the fuck over it already, you can't win 'em all...

 

[Timshel]

Why don't you just call it quits....give it a rest....

Breaking the law is breaking the law...intentional or not.....

You may not intend to speed, but you will get a ticket just the same.
You may forget to file your taxes, but you will be assessed tax and penalties....
You may not have intended to hit that bike rider you didn't notice with your car, but you will be held responsible

You could go to jail over a technicality.
You never heard the old adage, ignorance of the law is no excuse ?

You picked a losing argument, get the fuck over it already, you can't win 'em all...

Intent has a lot to do with it and the fact that he was a minor is a factor. Sorry you are seemingly too stupid to understand that.

It's not analagous to hitting someone with a car. Vargas has not injured anyone or even done any damage to their property.

I see you ran away from the fact that your definition of immigrant makes illegal immigrant an oxymoron.

I have not picked any losing argument. I stand beside my statement that it is pretty obvious why it is an unwanted label and that illegal immigrant is just jargon. You ended up countering your own argument. If your definition of immigrant is correct then it would appear illegal immigrant is inaccurate. You also, once again, conflated it with meaning illegal entry and as of yet have not acknowledged your error. But I understand what bigoted assholes like you mean even if you don't.

 

[NOVA]

Intent has a lot to do with it and the fact that he was a minor is a factor. Sorry you are seemingly too stupid to understand that.

It's not analagous to hitting someone with a car. Vargas has not injured anyone or even done any damage to their property.

I see you ran away from the fact that your definition of immigrant makes illegal immigrant an oxymoron.

I have not picked any losing argument. I stand beside my statement that it is pretty obvious why it is an unwanted label and that illegal immigrant is just jargon. You ended up countering your own argument. If your definition of immigrant is correct then it would appear illegal immigrant is inaccurate. You also, once again, conflated it with meaning illegal entry and as of yet have not acknowledged your error. But I understand what bigoted assholes like you mean even if you don't.

Intent only has meaning as far as his parents that brought hem here ILLEGALLY....
because he was a minor doesn't make him legal....being legal has nothing to do with age, he is here illegally...thats an undeniable fact...

Why would I ran away from the definition I posted....I didn't write the definitions...I only posted them to help you understand the terms better.....personally, I don't find the
term 'illegal immigrant' an oxymoron....the word immigrant itself doesn't speak to the legal status of the immigrant....
im·mi·grant-----.1. a person who comes to a country where they were not born in order to settle there

Thats a simple enough definition even for you....

"Illegal immigrant" is the term used by the Washington Times...I didn't coin the phrase......you got a beef with it, write to them....

You can call him "little boy blue" if it tickles you fancy....nothing you call him will change his legal status in this country and nothing will change the fact that he is here illegally .....
I'm perfectly fine with the terms "illegal alien", illegal immigrant", "illegal resident", illegal worker", etc.....whether you find them objectionable or not is irrelevant
they all describe a persons legal status to be in the country.....they are all perfectly accurate.

And ....you can stand by your position forever if you want....you'll still be wrong and you'll still be a loser

 

[Timshel]

Intent only has meaning as far as his parents that brought hem here ILLEGALLY....
because he was a minor doesn't make him legal....being legal has nothing to do with age, he is here illegally...thats an undeniable fact...

Why would I ran away from the definition I posted....I didn't write the definitions...I only posted them to help you understand the terms better.....personally, I don't find the
term 'illegal immigrant' an oxymoron....the word immigrant itself doesn't speak to the legal status of the immigrant....
im·mi·grant-----.1. a person who comes to a country where they were not born in order to settle there

Thats a simple enough definition even for you....

"Illegal immigrant" is the term used by the Washington Times...I didn't coin the phrase......you got a beef with it, write to them....

You can call him "little boy blue" if it tickles you fancy....nothing you call him will change his legal status in this country and nothing will change the fact that he is here illegally .....
I'm perfectly fine with the terms "illegal alien", illegal immigrant", "illegal resident", illegal worker", etc.....whether you find them objectionable or not is irrelevant
they all describe a persons legal status to be in the country.....they are all perfectly accurate.

And ....you can stand by your position forever if you want....you'll still be wrong and you'll still be a loser

That's not the definition you posted earlier. Your source defined immigrant as a permanent legal resident and claimed that it meant undocumented immigrant was therefore inaccurate. Apparently, you were too stupid to get that that means illegal immigrant is inaccurate. You countered your own argument.

Your new definition is fine too but then it does not imply that there is anything wrong with undocumented immigrant. Sorry dummy, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

The point of the story here was that Vargas had a problem with illegal immigrant and noted it. You made an issue of it and ignorantly argue as if no other term can possibly be used. But you are just a bigoted old fool.

Again, Vargas has not yet been found to be here illegally. Sorry you don't like that but your loser opinions do not matter.

 

[Howey]

Using Bravo's twisted logic, it's obvious Marco Rubio's a criminal. Can we lock him up now?