Obama: Modern Day Bush?

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WASHINGTON — If President Obama tuned in to the past week’s bracing debate on Capitol Hill about terrorism, executive power, secrecy and due process, he might have recognized the arguments his critics were making: He once made some of them himself.

Four years into his tenure, the onetime critic of President George W. Bush finds himself cast as a present-day Mr. Bush, justifying the muscular application of force in the defense of the nation while detractors complain that he has sacrificed the country’s core values in the name of security.

The debate is not an exact parallel to those of the Bush era, and Mr. Obama can point to ways he has tried to exorcise what he sees as the excesses of the last administration. But in broad terms, the conversation generated by the confirmation hearing of John O. Brennan, his nominee for C.I.A. director, underscored the degree to which Mr. Obama has embraced some of Mr. Bush’s approach to counterterrorism, right down to a secret legal memo authorizing presidential action unfettered by outside forces.

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So while Mr. Obama banned harsh interrogation techniques, he preserved much of what he inherited, with some additional safeguards; expanded Mr. Bush’s drone campaign; and kept on veterans of the antiterrorism wars like Mr. Brennan. Some efforts at change were thwarted, like his vow to close the Guantánamo prison and to try Sept. 11 plotters in civilian court.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/world/obamas-turn-in-bushs-bind-with-defense-policies.html?_r=0

a somewhat unbiased view of obama, however, the times still manages to bend over backward to defend his policies...which is ironic, given the times bashed bush for the same policies. nowhere and at not time did the times ever defend bush as they have stretched here to do.
 
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GW's reputation and character has been ridiculed for a to z and enough is enough.....
To compare that fine President to Obama is the last straw....you're starting to piss me off now.
 
the times still manages to bend over backward to defend his policies...w.

Drones have been used since WWII. Brennan was against the use of torture/waterboarding. Guantanamo couldn't be closed because Congress refused to allocate the funds to close it and move the prisoners.

Bush started two unnecessary wars predicated upon lies that resulted in the deaths of over 6600 young men and 132,000 dead civilians. Obama ended one of those wars and is in the process of ending the other.

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GW's reputation and character has been ridiculed for a to z and enough is enough.....
To compare that fine President to Obama is the last straw....you're starting to piss me off now.

Oh Oh Oh! Whatcha gonna do?

Go cry to Mommy?

 
Drones have been used since WWII. Brennan was against the use of torture/waterboarding. Guantanamo couldn't be closed because Congress refused to allocate the funds to close it and move the prisoners.

Bush started two unnecessary wars predicated upon lies that resulted in the deaths of over 6600 young men and 132,000 dead civilians. Obama ended one of those wars and is in the process of ending the other.



Oh Oh Oh! Whatcha gonna do?

Go cry to Mommy?


What were the lies? 9/11?
 
Not at all. You said Bush started two unneccesary wars based upon lies. I'm asking you about the lies. Was 9/11 a lie?

You posted this before Howey and didn't answer the same question then. What lie started the Afghanistan War? Are you a 9/11 truther?
 
You posted this before Howey and didn't answer the same question then. What lie started the Afghanistan War? Are you a 9/11 truther?

What lies kept it going?

It should have lasted no more than 6 months.

go in kick ass and take names, leave with the warning to not mess with us again or we will be back.

and we should not have invaded Iraq at all.
That was the was that was started on lies.
 
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The suggestion that Obama isn't carrying out the Bush foreign policy is just mindless. Obama's foreign policy is the Bush foreign policy .. ON STEROIDS.

Among other things since becoming president, Barack Obama has:

-20,000 Airstrikes in the President's First Term Cause Death and Destruction From Iraq to Somalia.
-Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
-Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
-Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
-Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
-Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
-Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
-Maintained a presence in Iraq even after "ending" the war.
-Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
-Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.
-Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.
-Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia.
-Opened a military base in Chile.
-Touted nuclear power, even after the disaster in Japan.
-Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.
-Did a TV commercial promoting "clean coal".
-Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.
-Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.
-Deported a modern-record 1.5 million immigrants.
-Continued Bush's rendition program.
-Made permenant 98% of the Bush Tax Cuts
http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html
 
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GW's reputation and character has been ridiculed for a to z and enough is enough.....
To compare that fine President to Obama is the last straw....you're starting to piss me off now.

??? I think they both suck.
 
Not at all. You said Bush started two unneccesary wars based upon lies. I'm asking you about the lies. Was 9/11 a lie?

You posted this before Howey and didn't answer the same question then. What lie started the Afghanistan War? Are you a 9/11 truther?

Not at all. Although Bush could have, I don't know, acted upon intelligence he received that an attack was impending rather than spend time on vacation golfing?

As far as Afghanistan, Bush lied. a. He said bin Laden was in Afghanistan, he wasn't. He said we'd hunt down and kill bin Laden. He didn't. He said the Afghan people wanted us there. They didn't.

Most of all? 9/11 had nothing to do with it. He planned on invading Iraq and Afghanistan long before 9/11.

 
Not at all. Although Bush could have, I don't know, acted upon intelligence he received that an attack was impending rather than spend time on vacation golfing?

As far as Afghanistan, Bush lied. a. He said bin Laden was in Afghanistan, he wasn't. He said we'd hunt down and kill bin Laden. He didn't. He said the Afghan people wanted us there. They didn't.

Most of all? 9/11 had nothing to do with it. He planned on invading Iraq and Afghanistan long before 9/11.


So our government allowed 9/11 to occur to use as a cover to attack Afghanistan?
 
Did I say that?

Notice I asked it in the form of a question? You say Bush lied to get us into Afghanistan. It's like pulling teeth to get you to state what that (those) lie(s) was (were). I'm not asking for lies you believe he said once we were already fighting. You said he lied to get us to go to war there. What were they?
 
Notice I asked it in the form of a question? You say Bush lied to get us into Afghanistan. It's like pulling teeth to get you to state what that (those) lie(s) was (were). I'm not asking for lies you believe he said once we were already fighting. You said he lied to get us to go to war there. What were they?

I already told you.
 
As far as Afghanistan, Bush lied. a. He said bin Laden was in Afghanistan, he wasn't. He said we'd hunt down and kill bin Laden. He didn't.

Just to point out what a pinhead you are, using your standard of 'lying', here is a list of Obama lies compiled by the Tampa Bay Times....

6 pages worth of lies.....

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/?page=6


Incidently....htf do you know where bin Laden was from 2001 to 2008 ?....and you proof.....

You're an imbecile.

I don't know why you would include the Condi Rice link since it undermines everything the left has be saying about Bush's lack of awareness of AQ and bin Laden
you idiots have been lying about for the last decade....and the US has invasion plans for EVERY country that might be a future enemy of ours for the last 50 years.
 
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I already told you.


Ok, I'm an idiot. I'm from Ohio and went to USC and therefore I need more hand holding than most. Since I don't see where you told me could I trouble you to tell me again the lie that Bush said that got us into Afghanistan?
 
Just to point out what a pinhead you are, using your standard of 'lying', here is a list of Obama lies compiled by the Tampa Bay Times....

6 pages worth of lies.....

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/?page=6

Those aren't lies. They're broken promises. From the site you claim to be a left wing shill. lol.

Ok, I'm an idiot. I'm from Ohio and went to USC and therefore I need more hand holding than most. Since I don't see where you told me could I trouble you to tell me again the lie that Bush said that got us into Afghanistan?

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