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I hate it. It's the dumbest method anyone's ever come up with for electing a person to public office. It doesn't even benefit small states, really, it's just completely arbitrary. Let's just get rid of the damn thing already. It's never resulted in a better presidential election than the popular vote itself, in any case.
 
yep popular vote, the electorial college was designed for a time of slow travel and communications. It is outdated.
I would also like to see no results released untill the last polling place closes for the position being voted on.
 
The founders thought that people would have trouble in such a large country, but within three election cycles the people seemed to have gathered enough intelligence even to fix the complicated system they put in face to deny them their vote.
 
uscitizen said:
yep popular vote, the electorial college was designed for a time of slow travel and communications. It is outdated.
I would also like to see no results released untill the last polling place closes for the position being voted on.
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I gree in pronciple, but at the very least should be revamped to reflect(perhaps) the congressional districts, rather than the state itself (we could still main6tain the extra two per state-alloted to senator positions.) and actually,all polling places should be open for twentyfour hours, starting, and stopping at the same instant in all states. (not by time zones.) an then for the first time, be reported.
 
doniston said:
I gree in pronciple, but at the very least should be revamped to reflect(perhaps) the congressional districts, rather than the state itself (we could still main6tain the extra two per state-alloted to senator positions.) and actually,all polling places should be open for twentyfour hours, starting, and stopping at the same instant in all states. (not by time zones.) an then for the first time, be reported.
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The drawing of the congressional districts is often even more arbitrary than just setting it to the states. You can get very different results, much different from the actual will of the people, by just altering the boundaries a little bit. I'd honestly rather it work the way it does now, than to set it to congressional districts.
 
doniston said:
I gree in pronciple, but at the very least should be revamped to reflect(perhaps) the congressional districts, rather than the state itself (we could still main6tain the extra two per state-alloted to senator positions.) and actually,all polling places should be open for twentyfour hours, starting, and stopping at the same instant in all states. (not by time zones.) an then for the first time, be reported.
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I think that none should be reported until all are closed, most certainly. I think Florida wouldn't have been such an issue if the state hadn't been called, not called, called for the other guy, then not called again... All while the polls were still open in the state.

When the state is called before the polls close it effects the numbers of people that go to the polls.
 
I definitely agree with the 24 hour voting period all starting and ending at the same time with no results being broadcast until after the close of the period. It only makes sense. Maybe that is why we don't do it now?

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Watermark said:
The drawing of the congressional districts is often even more arbitrary than just setting it to the states. You can get very different results, much different from the actual will of the people, by just altering the boundaries a little bit. I'd honestly rather it work the way it does now, than to set it to congressional districts.
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This is somewhat true, but those districts are redrawn after several yers. And true, something should be done about the gerrymandering that occures in the drawing of those line. but I don't see settingthe electorial college to the districts is any impediment. It only means that the state would no longer go winner take all.
 
uscitizen said:
yep popular vote, the electorial college was designed for a time of slow travel and communications. It is outdated.
I would also like to see no results released untill the last polling place closes for the position being voted on.
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The College of Electors is not about slow travel and communications. The method of electing the President was a hotly debated topic at the time and the founders feared big government and political parties.

Without the college of electors New York, Los Angeles and one political party will elect the President. I guess that's okay if you live in a big city and you believe that it will be your party that runs the show.
 
uscitizen said:
Umm are not electorial college votes allocated by population ?
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Some states award all their electoral votes to the winner. Others allocate electoral votes proportionally. It's true that the electoral college doesn't make much sense in a democracy but we were a republic back then and it made a huge difference.

We have to keep in mind that the founders wanted the executive to be the weakest branch of government. That is no longer the case. We are now a democracy and the executive has powers far beyond what the founders wanted.

The College of Electors is the last remnant of the Republic and some of us old fartz hate to see it done away with...that's all.
 
WC Grouch said:
Some states award all their electoral votes to the winner. Others allocate electoral votes proportionally. It's true that the electoral college doesn't make much sense in a democracy but we were a republic back then and it made a huge difference.

We have to keep in mind that the founders wanted the executive to be the weakest branch of government. That is no longer the case. We are now a democracy and the executive has powers far beyond what the founders wanted.

The College of Electors is the last remnant of the Republic and some of us old fartz hate to see it done away with...that's all.
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We are NOT a Democracy in any way shape or form.
 
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Riiight...

doniston said:
We are NOT a Democracy in any way shape or form.
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Keep telling yourself that. The federal government is in complete control. We no longer have the right of self determination and self determination is what federalism is all about. In case you don't know, a Republic is federalism.
 
doniston said:
This is somewhat true, but those districts are redrawn after several yers. And true, something should be done about the gerrymandering that occures in the drawing of those line. but I don't see settingthe electorial college to the districts is any impediment. It only means that the state would no longer go winner take all.
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Why not allocate them proportionally to the vote in each state?

Well, really, we've tried that before... back in the 50's. The larger states usually object because it gives smaller states a very large advantage.
 
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"Some states award all their electoral votes to the winner. Others allocate electoral votes proportionally."

No states allocate the votes proportionally. There are two states that allocate them by congressional districts, but the same person usually takes all of the electoral votes anyway.

In fact, the congressional district method has never resulted in those states electoral vote splitting.

"It's true that the electoral college doesn't make much sense in a democracy but we were a republic back then and it made a huge difference."

We're a democracy in some senses of the word and a republic in all senses.
 
uscitizen said:
Umm Iraq was a Republic, so was the former USSR....
does not make me think well of Republics
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Many have called their form of tyranny a "republic" but It's only a Republic if the individual states that make up the republic have the right of self determination. There was no right of self determination in Iraq or the USSR.

North Korea is a democracy and so is Malaysia...sure doesn't make me think well of Democracies.
Voting does not guarantee freedom. Every democracy in history has resulted in tyranny.
 
LOL...........

uscitizen said:
Umm Iraq was a Republic, so was the former USSR....
does not make me think well of Republics
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I am beginning to wonder about you...Iraq and the former USSR were not Republics..See Roman History 101...good Lord USC ya are drowning in coolaid!


Try dictatorships for a start!
 
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