Obama's War On Weed In California

Am I the only person on the board who doesn't smoke weed? Not trying to criticize anyone who does I'm just curious.
 
I think we have to distinguish between guerilla growers, and those who I reference. The latter are already growing legally, and making a fortune. And they always vote against legalization. I assume your google button is broken.

.I'm a big GSP fan as well, and was impressed with his recent comeback fight. If you aren't interested what the head of NORML thinks, then I'm not sure why you're even in this discussion?

. You should wait til you aren't stoned to post in this thread. The quote above makes no sense. The abuse of mm laws is EXACTLY what this discussion is about.

Agree. Which is why all the whining about Obama makes no sense. People should just go buy some fuckin weed and shut up already.

Where is your proof that they always vote against legalization? Have they even had more than one opportunity. Always is quite a strong assertion based on one prior event where you have yet to prove your claim.

St Pierre is one guy and does not speak for the entire movement. This cause is being pursued by many different groups. Lee pretty much went out on his own in California's vote. If there had been a wider base of support earlier it would have passed.

I haven't smoked for months. The quote made perfect sense. You are claiming that it is somehow okay to ignore California's laws but not Colorado's but have not given any clear reason. There is no principle involved, instead it is all about politics. Obama knows Californians are in his pocket. He does not have to give a shit about them.

Yeah, I don't know why some on the right rail against Obama on this issue. He is disappointing but no more so than Republicans. Dungheap and bravo make the point that he would be attacked if he failed to enforce federal law. Congress is where this needs to change most. Obama could do more to help but I did not really expect him to. This is an issue that its still hard to support strongly but has finally become dangerous to oppose, as well.
 
Where is your proof that they always vote against legalization? Have they even had more than one opportunity. Always is quite a strong assertion based on one prior event where you have yet to prove your claim.
It isn't just growers. It's the dispensaries too. If you aren't going to make an attempt to refute my claim with links, then I won't give you any of the hundreds of links that support same.

I haven't smoked for months. The quote made perfect sense. You are claiming that it is somehow okay to ignore California's laws but not Colorado's but have not given any clear reason. There is no principle involved, instead it is all about politics. Obama knows Californians are in his pocket. He does not have to give a shit about them.


The only ones ignoring Cal. laws are those who abuse existing MEDICAL marijuana laws. You aren't interested in the truth regarding the bogus doctors, and the kids who buy 'medical' marijuana, and smoke it with friends in the parking lot. Cal. 'medical' marijuana gets mailed all over the country. If the industry didn't increase 100 fold after Obama made the comment about cancer patients....actual patients wouldn't suffer now. Why do towns need 10 dispensaries on the same street?
Yeah, I don't know why some on the right rail against Obama on this issue. He is disappointing but no more so than Republicans. Dungheap and bravo make the point that he would be attacked if he failed to enforce federal law. Congress is where this needs to change most. Obama could do more to help but I did not really expect him to. This is an issue that its still hard to support strongly but has finally become dangerous to oppose, as well.
Correct. If potheads would toss $100 each into a lobby, perhaps we'd see big moves in Congress.

Otherwise, the same companies who spend millions on keeping the status quo will continue to win.
 
he has discretion, a la, the executive agencies in charge of enforcing US laws, whether to prosecute. that is the law.


So you admitting the president has discretion on which laws to enforce and which he can ignore.....thats utterly blows my mind.....

By that logic, the oath to uphold the Constitution and by extension, the legislation and laws passed by congress, is just so much bullshit........

The president can do whatever the hell he wants to do then.....?
 
So you admitting the president has discretion on which laws to enforce and which he can ignore.....thats utterly blows my mind.....

By that logic, the oath to uphold the Constitution and by extension, the legislation and laws passed by congress, is just so much bullshit........

The president can do whatever the hell he wants to do then.....?

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...43,d.cGE&fp=139956e3c17019da&biw=1066&bih=520

there is honestly too much to explain and too copy and paste, but the above should assist in you understanding the concept and the conflicts surrounding prosecutorial discretion
 
here is the relevant portion of the law bravo:

9-2.001

Introduction

The United States Attorney, within his/her district, has plenary authority with regard to federal criminal matters. This authority is exercised under the supervision and direction of the Attorney General and his/her delegates.

The statutory duty to prosecute for all offenses against the United States (28 U.S.C. § 547) carries with it the authority necessary to perform this duty. The USA is invested by statute and delegation from the Attorney General with the broadest discretion in the exercise of such authority.

The authority, discretionary power, and responsibilities of the United States Attorney with relation to criminal matters encompass without limitation by enumeration the following:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/2mcrm.htm
 
It isn't just growers. It's the dispensaries too. If you aren't going to make an attempt to refute my claim with links, then I won't give you any of the hundreds of links that support same.

The only ones ignoring Cal. laws are those who abuse existing MEDICAL marijuana laws. You aren't interested in the truth regarding the bogus doctors, and the kids who buy 'medical' marijuana, and smoke it with friends in the parking lot. Cal. 'medical' marijuana gets mailed all over the country. If the industry didn't increase 100 fold after Obama made the comment about cancer patients....actual patients wouldn't suffer now. Why do towns need 10 dispensaries on the same street?
Correct. If potheads would toss $100 each into a lobby, perhaps we'd see big moves in Congress.

Otherwise, the same companies who spend millions on keeping the status quo will continue to win.

Richard Lee of Oaksterdam bankrolled the effort to legalize. Do you need a link for that? I don't know of any sources that show how growers/dispensary operators voted or whether any others organized, other than the many that supported Lee. There really was not much of an organized opposition. There were some press reports of growers that grumbled that mm had lowered the price they could sale marijuana for and feared full legalization would too. But none of them were actually quoted that I recall. If others had become involved sooner California's referendum probably would have passed.

Potheads love their conspiracy theories almost as much as the conservadouches but the fact is that it failed in California because legalization advocates underestimated the support.

I am well aware of the shady doctors. I will trade our pill mills for California's kind. I don't like the idea of turning doctors into licensed drug dealers, but that is the position they are in thanks to federal laws and the FDA. California chose to change their laws in a specific way. There was nothing underhanded about it, nor was it all part of some dark conspiracy. It conflicts with Federal law the same as Colorado's does.

Obama's actions have not been directed by any moral premise that I can discern. He seems to be simply playing politics. Frankly, that is better than Romney. That douchebag seemed to feel morally empowered to continue the drug war.
 
President Obama made it very public a few months ago that the federal government had "bigger fish to fry" than to go after states that legalize or people that use marijuana. It is now a non-issue insofar as the federal government is concerned. This is not to say that there won't be some overly zealous idiots with a badge trying to push a point because of the letter of the laws that continue to exist. Whether the Prez asks the justice department to stand down on marijuana issues is irrelevant in the case of a non-compliant congress that refuses to change the present laws. The Dems are ready to do so. Some of you rightwingers need to get after your reps!!!!!!!! After all, it's the RIGHT thing to do, isn't it?

DEA raids medical marijuana clinic in Tempe
 
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