Christianity under fire!

[zappasguitar]

The 1st Amendment to the Constitution DOES INDEED SAY exactly what it says, in black and white.....and absolutely not what the SCOTUS says it says unless they are directly quoting from the document......what they are claiming, is what they THINK it means.....

Well, unless and until you can get the SCOTUS to rule otherwise, their decision that the 1st amendment says there is indeed a wall of separation between church and state will continue to be the law of the land...despite what you WISHED it said.

 

[patriot66]

Oh, but it does matter.

Only to you, the Constitution says NOTHING about separation of Church and State, say it with me. When the Supreme Court decided to not allow prayer led by teachers the went against the very wording of the Constitution.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . . last I checked prayer is not an establishment of a religion, let those who do not wish to pray with the teacher not pray, or pray to whatever false God they want. You are infringing on the teachers right to free speech period. I do not care what some Liberal Judges decided. i would just stand in front of the class and say I am going to pray to god join me if you want.

 

[patriot66]

Well, unless and until you can get the SCOTUS to rule otherwise, their decision that the 1st amendment says there is indeed a wall of separation between church and state will continue to be the law of the land...despite what you WISHED it said.

Or you, for God's sake man it doesn't say anything about a separation, what you meant to say was that you are glad the Scotus decided it says what you like it to say.

 

[Phantasmal]

Or you, for God's sake man it doesn't say anything about a separation, what you meant to say was that you are glad the Scotus decided it says what you like it to say.

Some of those justices were conservative Christians. The law is secular.

 

[Phantasmal]

Or you, for God's sake man it doesn't say anything about a separation, what you meant to say was that you are glad the Scotus decided it says what you like it to say.

Some of those justices were conservative Christians. The law is secular.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ed_buckner/quotations.html

 

[The Dude]

No pagan worshiping in public school, wether Christian or Muslim!

 

[Grecian]

The Supreme Court ruled it a wall, therefore, it's a wall.... at least for now.

 

[Phantasmal]

Only to you, the Constitution says NOTHING about separation of Church and State, say it with me. When the Supreme Court decided to not allow prayer led by teachers the went against the very wording of the Constitution.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . . last I checked prayer is not an establishment of a religion, let those who do not wish to pray with the teacher not pray, or pray to whatever false God they want. You are infringing on the teachers right to free speech period. I do not care what some Liberal Judges decided. i would just stand in front of the class and say I am going to pray to god join me if you want.

The problem is, the teacher may pray anytime they wish, they just can not lead their classes in prayer. The teacher may take the student and go out after school hours in the middle of the street or at the teachers house and pray together. The teacher may ask for a moment of silence in the class room, but they can not organize any religious activities on school grounds as an employee of the government which does not support any religion, but represent ALL people both religious and non religious.

 

[Liberty]

The problem is, the teacher may pray anytime they wish, they just can not lead their classes in prayer. The teacher may take the student and go out after school hours in the middle of the street or at the teachers house and pray together. The teacher may ask for a moment of silence in the class room, but they can not organize any religious activities on school grounds as an mployment of the government which does not support any religion, but represent ALL people both religious and non religious.

Tax $

 

[zappasguitar]

Only to you, the Constitution says NOTHING about separation of Church and State, say it with me. When the Supreme Court decided to not allow prayer led by teachers the went against the very wording of the Constitution.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . . last I checked prayer is not an establishment of a religion, let those who do not wish to pray with the teacher not pray, or pray to whatever false God they want. You are infringing on the teachers right to free speech period. I do not care what some Liberal Judges decided. i would just stand in front of the class and say I am going to pray to god join me if you want.

But praying to the Christian God IS respecting an establishment of religion.

 

[Lowaicue]

Mormon, yes, and anything not Christian.

The most despised group in America

2. Muslim 38%

1. Atheist 48%

I think we can call that a win then.

 

[Lowaicue]

I can see why you find it more comfortable in a Communist state.....

Hong Kong is more capitalist than the US.

 

[Lowaicue]

Freedom, in any capacity, will never restrict man's growth or threaten mans existence to the degree that we will submit to slavery.....

You can thank the Americans for the whatever freedom you enjoy....maybe even your very existence.

Well, we are used to your crap, sailor boy, but now you have broken all records with your ignorance.

You are not as free as I am. Freedom is, in part, the ability to ask questions without fear of recriminations from government or society. Religion, and in particular, christianity, islam and judaism promote definite answers and do not encourage the asking of questions. Hence the oft cited 'Islam wants us all back in the seventh century'.
Unswerving faith in a deity does not encourage the questions that lead to the inventions that make your life possible. Science (the enquiring mind) has given you that.
Had we followed religious dogma we would have less food for more people, we would have learned nothing of the cosmos and man's place in it. We would know nothing more than we did a thousand years ago.
Come ashore, Jolly Jack. You'll find the logic of terra firma makes sense.
And please, I beg you, stop thinking your shit dont stink. You are a freakin' yank. You cause wars, death and destruction everywhere you go.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

But praying to the Christian God is respecting an establishment of religion.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.....and Congress has made no law making anyone pray to the Christian God....thus, no violation......now obviously, if Congress, or any state or local government DID make a law either requiring or preventing someone from praying to the Christian God, would that not be a law respecting the establishment of religion?......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Hong Kong is more capitalist than the US.

/grins....keep pretending its true.....it will make you happier if you keep pretending you are free......fortunately, we don't have to pretend......

 

[NOVA]

But praying to the Christian God IS respecting an establishment of religion.

Why omit the pertinent words.....Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

Is there a law that says you must pray ..... is there a penalty if you don't.....

Or are pinheads trying to make a law that says you MUST NOT PRAY....?

 

[Lowaicue]

/grins....keep pretending its true.....it will make you happier if you keep pretending you are free......fortunately, we don't have to pretend......

No pretence her, old sport. Check it out.
GDP Per Cap

1 Luxembourg 89,012 2011
2 Qatar 88,314 2011
3 Singapore 60,688 2011
4 Norway 60,405 2011
5 Kuwait 54,283 2011
6 Brunei 51,760 2011
7 Switzerland 51,262 2011
— Hong Kong 50,551 2011
8 United States 48,112 2011

And the most capitalist country? here's another little bit of info your own propaganda wont tell you (quite old figures but I have neither the time nor the interest to get updated figures):

actually it is Hong Kong - most of the public instrumentalities are partially privately owned, and income tax is a flat 16%

Since 1970, Hong Kong has ranked as the world's freest economy. In the just released Economic Freedom of the World, 2004 Annual Report, Hong Kong remains number one. The report, published by The Fraser Institute in conjunction with the Cato Institute and other think tanks around the world, ranks countries on their adherence to a set of policies that measure the degree of economic freedom. Those countries that safeguard property rights, enforce contracts, allow free trade, maintain low marginal tax rates, ensure sound money, and limit the size and scope of government will score well on the Economic Freedom of the World (EFW) index.

Out of a possible score of 10 on the EFW index, Hong Kong achieved 8.7; Singapore came in a close second at 8.6; while New Zealand, Switzerland, Britain, and the United States tied for third with a score of 8.2. (There is a two-year lag in the data, so those scores are for 2002, not 2004.)

 

[NOVA]

Well, unless and until you can get the SCOTUS to rule otherwise, their decision that the 1st amendment says there is indeed a wall of separation between church and state will continue to be the law of the land...despite what you WISHED it said.

Its not that I don't agree with the concept.....its that I don't agree with your concept.....

There is indeed a "wall of seperation" between Church and state...and that WALL of separation is that " the state shall make NO LAW with respect to the ESTABLISHMENT of religion".........no more, no less......the state shall make no laws that hinder, control, or support the establishment of a religion......

Said another way.....the state shall make no laws preventing or creating the establishment of a religion.

The amendment isn't written in Latin or Greek....its meaning is plain and its politics that bends the meaning to control the peoples right and to enable the
governments power over the people that the words strictly prohibit.....politics to drive a social agenda by government that the founders tryed hard to prevent from
happening......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

No pretence her, old sport. Check it out.
GDP Per Cap

ROFL....let me guess.....you thought they meant GDP per capitalist, didn't you.........

where does Communist China fall on the chart......

 

[NOVA]

No pretence her, old sport. Check it out.
GDP Per Cap

1 Luxembourg 89,012 2011
2 Qatar 88,314 2011
3 Singapore 60,688 2011
4 Norway 60,405 2011
5 Kuwait 54,283 2011
6 Brunei 51,760 2011
7 Switzerland 51,262 2011
— Hong Kong 50,551 2011
8 United States 48,112 2011

And the most capitalist country? here's another little bit of info your own propaganda wont tell you (quite old figures but I have neither the time nor the interest to get updated figures):

actually it is Hong Kong - most of the public instrumentalities are partially privately owned, and income tax is a flat 16%

Since 1970, Hong Kong has ranked as the world's freest economy. In the just released Economic Freedom of the World, 2004 Annual Report, Hong Kong remains number one. The report, published by The Fraser Institute in conjunction with the Cato Institute and other think tanks around the world, ranks countries on their adherence to a set of policies that measure the degree of economic freedom. Those countries that safeguard property rights, enforce contracts, allow free trade, maintain low marginal tax rates, ensure sound money, and limit the size and scope of government will score well on the Economic Freedom of the World (EFW) index.

Out of a possible score of 10 on the EFW index, Hong Kong achieved 8.7; Singapore came in a close second at 8.6; while New Zealand, Switzerland, Britain, and the United States tied for third with a score of 8.2. (There is a two-year lag in the data, so those scores are for 2002, not 2004.)

So....to you, freedom means "economic freedom"......