Those who believe in heaven commit more crimes

PostmodernProphet said:
the study states that people who believe in heaven and hell are less likely to commit crimes than those that believe in heaven but don't believe in hell.....therefore, if you are only going to look at their beliefs in heaven you would have to state that those who believe in heaven are less likely to commit crimes than those who believe in heaven.......yet the thread title is "those who believe in heaven commit more crimes".........that is not accurate.....that is dishonest......and actually, quite stupid......



????....did you think making yourself look ignorant was going to piss us off?......I come to the board specifically to point at things and say "oh look.....stupid".......giving me something to do doesn't piss me off.....it offers me an opportunity to fulfill my purpose........
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It is not inaccurate according to the study. By only looking at whether they believe in heaven it predicts higher crime rates. By only looking at whether they believe in hell it predicts lower crime rates.

You don't know how to process information that is supplied to you which you proved with the previous link. You even admit your learning disability here. Quit being a dumbass partisan knee jerk, looking for some flaw to attack, and try to understand the point other people are making.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the only thing they've been known for was being chucked out by their congregations for their beliefs......

no.....there aren't......that is why you were able to find the first two.....they are so unusual someone talked about them on the internet.....

I suppose if they are open to your interpretation you might be able to make the case they believe in one afterlife but not the other.....or course, that's the only way you're going to be able to swing it.......if you choose to "interpret" it that way......

keep waving your arms.....if they don't keep your head above water at least a life guard might notice you and save your drowning ass.....
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There are plenty of people that believe in heaven but not hell. I have proven that. You can stick your head up your ass or try to move the goal posts but it won't change the fact that I established my original point.
 
Damocles said:
I think that this would most likely be due to the fact that they think they are forgiven regardless of what they do.
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Ah, now that I read the article it is rather interesting. It is those who believe in Heaven but not Hell that commit more crimes, those that believe in Hell commit less crimes.
 
I certainly don't want to end up there! Beyond the misery, and separation from God, it would be an eternity of knowing I was a failure. I beat myself up enough about feeling like a failure or feeling guilty about my actions in this world as it is!
 
Damocles said:
Ah, now that I read the article it is rather interesting. It is those who believe in Heaven but not Hell that commit more crimes, those that believe in Hell commit less crimes.
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No, you are misreading it just as many of the others have. The methodology did not allow them to determine whether individual criminals believe in heaven and not hell. Belief, in heaven predicted higher crime rates. Belief in hell predicted lower crime rates.

As predicted, rates of belief in heaven and hell had significant, unique, and opposing effects on crime rates. Belief in hell predicted lower crime rates, B_hell = −1.941, p<.001; whereas belief in heaven predicted higher crime rates, B_heaven = 1.958, p<.001 (Note that these are standardized regression coefficients, so they may be interpreted as effect sizes). Controlling for the effect of belief in heaven, a 1 SD increase in belief in hell resulted in an almost 2 SD decrease in national crime rate; conversely, controlling for the effect of hell, a 1 SD increase in belief in heaven resulted in an almost 2 SD increase in national crime rate. Analyzing each crime individually revealed the same significant pattern of effects for 8 of the 10 individual crimes (kidnapping and human trafficking excepted; see Table 1).
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PostmodernProphet said:
you've found two and think that's "plenty".....I guess you have "plenty" of balls......
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Look at the feel good preacher today who are abandoning hell, Joel Osteen comes to mind. Jehovah's Witness, Creation Scientist, plus numerous non demoninatioal sects, all staing that hell is not eternal, only a cleansing process.

You as an orthodox Christian denying these things, because it goes against catholic teachings, that is catholic with a small "c", but many of the big box churches are moving away from the concept of hell because they claim it is not Biblically supported. A God of love would not do this unless you sinned against the Holy Spirit. I am sure you are familiar with that bit of scripture.
 
Threedee said:
I certainly don't want to end up there! Beyond the misery, and separation from God, it would be an eternity of knowing I was a failure. I beat myself up enough about feeling like a failure or feeling guilty about my actions in this world as it is!
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So you think hell is essentially the same thing as being Mutt and living in Ohio?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no.....because of the methodology belief in heaven was not differentiated.....belief in hell predicted lower, not believing in hell predicted higher.....
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You are wrong.

As predicted, rates of belief in heaven and hell had significant, unique, and opposing effects on crime rates. Belief in hell predicted lower crime rates, B_hell = −1.941, p<.001; whereas belief in heaven predicted higher crime rates, B_heaven = 1.958, p<.001 (Note that these are standardized regression coefficients, so they may be interpreted as effect sizes). Controlling for the effect of belief in heaven, a 1 SD increase in belief in hell resulted in an almost 2 SD decrease in national crime rate; conversely, controlling for the effect of hell, a 1 SD increase in belief in heaven resulted in an almost 2 SD increase in national crime rate. Analyzing each crime individually revealed the same significant pattern of effects for 8 of the 10 individual crimes (kidnapping and human trafficking excepted; see Table 1).
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you've found two and think that's "plenty".....I guess you have "plenty" of balls......
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Again, they have congregations. The study itself shows that there are plenty who believe in heaven and not hell. As I noted, the reverse is more abnormal.

I was simply giving you a few concrete examples because you mentioned doubt. I am sure I can find more, but there is no point with someone who is willfully ignorant like you. The point has been established.

You have already acknowledged that you don't actually do anything here but look for gotchas. That's been obvious to me since you first made an ass out of yourself arguing that SS is not a "government service." It has lead you to error again, but in every error there is a learning opportunity. You can choose to remain stupid or not. I don't really care.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
nope....because those who believe in heaven AND hell are included within those who believe in hell....the variable is whether they believe in hell, not whether they believe in heaven.....
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Of course, they are just as they (those who believe in heaven AND hell) are included in those who believe in heaven. There are two variables, not one. Those who believe in heaven AND hell is an example of a conjunction, philosophically and grammatically.

Since you are quite obviously a moron and I am a charitable fellow, I will try to help you with truth tables.

Believes in...
Heaven - Hell - Heaven and hell
T - T - T
T - F - F
F - T - F
F - F - F

The first row contains those who believe in heaven and hell. As you can see, they are among those who believe in heaven AND they are among those who believe in hell.

One would think this unneeded but I remember trying to explain 1/3 to Ditzy.
 
Rana said:
Look at the feel good preacher today who are abandoning hell, Joel Osteen comes to mind. Jehovah's Witness, Creation Scientist, plus numerous non demoninatioal sects, all staing that hell is not eternal, only a cleansing process.

You as an orthodox Christian denying these things, because it goes against catholic teachings, that is catholic with a small "c", but many of the big box churches are moving away from the concept of hell because they claim it is not Biblically supported. A God of love would not do this unless you sinned against the Holy Spirit. I am sure you are familiar with that bit of scripture.
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you can cram more undocumented bullshit into one post than anyone else here........can you substantiate even a single sentence of the above or is it just your inaccurate opinion......
 
SuperstringTheory said:
The study itself shows that there are plenty who believe in heaven and not hell.
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the study didn't ask them if they believed in heaven and not hell.....the study asked them if they believed in heaven......the study asked them if they believed in hell.....the results of the fucking study do not distinguish between those who answered yes to both and those who didn't....
 
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