government paid to protect us.....

and this is how it goes

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/illinois-firefighters-stand-idle-while-man-drowns/

The man, Kenneth Brown, 20, slipped under the freezing water 18 minutes after falling through the ice, but local firefighters didn’t launch an inflatable boat until just before he disappeared. The firefighters pulled Brown’s body out of the water roughly an hour after they arrived.

Onlookers demanded firefighters rescue the man, and even volunteered for the task, but were told by the Champaign police to stay away.

A Champaign firefighter declined to comment on Brown’s slow-motion death, while 22 firefighters and six vehicles stood on the nearby shore.

“We can’t say anything about it,” the firefighter told The Daily Caller. “We’re directing all [responses] through campaign police department.”

The Champaign Police Department did not return TheDC’s calls.

Brown’s death has prompted complaints in the city about the inaction by police and firefighters.

“In this crisis situation, when a man was drowning, because of the potential danger to themselves they just stood there?” said one commentator, ‘cnneka1’, in the comments section of the website of the local newspaper, The News Gazette. “For 20 minutes? What are they getting paid for?”

“Myself and one other man got so angry watching the fire dept rescue teams ‘playing on the bank’ that we offered to be tied off and go in ourselves, and we certainly were threatened with arrest !,” claimed another user, named perryupopcorn.

“The only thing the police did was move the ever increasing angry crowd back when they started demanding the fire dept at least attempt to rescue the young man !
,” perryupopcorn added in another comment.

to protect and serve. all hail the government!!!!!!

When pressed by the newspaper’s reporter, police and firefighters defended their inaction.

“They followed our ice rescue guidelines pretty much to a T,” Champaign Deputy Fire Chief Eric Mitchell told The News Gazette.

“They established command … they made visual contact and attempted to talk to him, threw rescue devices, and went on the water,” he said. “Going on the water is the last thing you want to do. They did all the other things first.”

“The way we’re trained, you have several different positions that have to be filled to do water rescue safely. … You have a leader and a victim observer [whose] job is to make contact visually with the victim and try to talk to him,” he told the newspaper.
 
Why do you think an individual failure characterizes the government as a whole?

It's a consistent theme of your posts. I don't get it. It's really no different from someone taking the actions of an irresonsible gun owner and painting all gun owners w/ that brush, which I'm sure you're never pleased with.
 
Why do you think an individual failure characterizes the government as a whole?

It's a consistent theme of your posts. I don't get it. It's really no different from someone taking the actions of an irresonsible gun owner and painting all gun owners w/ that brush, which I'm sure you're never pleased with.

this was an entire department. both fire and police, backed by the city. how is that an individual failure?
 
this was an entire department. both fire and police, backed by the city. how is that an individual failure?

This was an individual incident.

Do you have any clue whatsoever how many lives have been saved and/or protected by firefighters and police across America? Any idea at all? What do you suppose the % of those is compared to the instances where they fail?

Are we supposed to look at this incident, and say, "You know, this whole firefighting thing just isn't working out; let's abolish fire departments everywhere"?
 
This was an individual incident.

Do you have any clue whatsoever how many lives have been saved and/or protected by firefighters and police across America? Any idea at all? What do you suppose the % of those is compared to the instances where they fail?

Are we supposed to look at this incident, and say, "You know, this whole firefighting thing just isn't working out; let's abolish fire departments everywhere"?
reductio ad absurdum

what you should explain is why, after the dozens and dozens of incidents I have posted about, you still continue to believe that bigger government is better government even knowing that the percentage of incidents compared to the low numbers of gov personnel makes these events a common occurrence and not isolated incidents????
 
What was the guy doing on the ice?
The article was heavy on blame for the local authorities but short on other details.

Seems like another Darwin Award thing to me.
 
isnt that what they get paid for?

I don't know nearly enough about rescue operations to judge this incident. On its surface, it sounds like they could do more, but I also know that people get hypothermia very quickly in freezing water. Certainly, I can see why they didn't allow the citizens that were there to go out on a rope or something. And it may be their procedure to not do that, as well, unless they're equipped with wetsuits.

There are definitely times when the "hero" factor can create a worse situation, with more casualties.
 
I don't know nearly enough about rescue operations to judge this incident. On its surface, it sounds like they could do more, but I also know that people get hypothermia very quickly in freezing water. Certainly, I can see why they didn't allow the citizens that were there to go out on a rope or something. And it may be their procedure to not do that, as well, unless they're equipped with wetsuits.

There are definitely times when the "hero" factor can create a worse situation, with more casualties.

or they could actually save someone with no losses

 
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