I'll be damned...the most brutal of the Delhi gang rapists is Muslim.

Thing1 said:
The U.S. averages over 30 rapes per 100,000. Most Muslim countries are well under 5.

I don't see why this isn't credible. Those are tightly controlled countries, that are basically run by their religions.
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LOL yeah... in countries with "honor" killings for rape victims, I wonder if rape might be a tad bit under-reported compared to america...
 
Thing1 said:
I've had Christians tell me that Jesus was more violent than his popular image, and cite his riding in on w/ a bloody sword in Revelation. Christianity has also been spread w/ war & violence throughout history.

The plain fact is, most adherents to both Islam & Christianity are peace-loving people who keep their religion private. It's the extremists that always use it for a political agenda.
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First, yes, christianity is violent too. I love it whenever I criticize islam the first thing anyone says is "hurrr durrrr christianity" as if that contains any refutation to anything I've said about islam. Note: it doesn't.

there is nothing inherently good or peaceful about religion. It's a fallacy to always assume that the "true" believers are peaceful and the "bad" ones are always the deviants, especially when the "bad" ones or "fundamentalists" seem to have the strictest and most devout followers.
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
LOL yeah... in countries with "honor" killings for rape victims, I wonder if rape might be a tad bit under-reported compared to america...
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How under-reported do you think it is? Do you think it's enough to close a gap of over 25 rapes per 100,000?

Or are you trying to say you support the thread's implied contention, and that there is something about Islam that inspires this kind of violence against women, which we don't have here - a country where there are almost 100,000 rapes (reported) every year?
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
First, yes, christianity is violent too. I love it whenever I criticize islam the first thing anyone says is "hurrr durrrr christianity as if that contains any refutation to anything I've said about islam. Note: it doesn't.

there is nothing inherently good or peaceful about religion. It's a fallacy to always assume that the "true" believers are peaceful and the "bad" ones are always the deviants, especially when the "bad" ones or "fundamentalists" seem to have the strictest and most devout followers.
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Right. So, if someone said "ignorance in full, florid display" regarding a comment about Christianity instead of Islam, you would have jumped in w/ the same kind of comment.

That's credible.
 
bravo said:
Its enlighteded, huh ?

I remember when every person that attended Church dressed in their finest....every passenger on an airplane filght, dressed a degree better than "casual".....
That meant clean, pressed slacks for men and dresses for women.....
Now people think that their shorts if only worn for 5 days in row are clean enough for Church and don't notice the person next to them on a flight stinks because of
their own BO....yeah....enlightened.....
When a man's pants crotch is dragging on the ground or a girls levies has holes in the knees its what we now call dressed....progress my ass.....
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Oh flibbity flu.
 
Thing1 said:
How under-reported do you think it is? Do you think it's enough to close a gap of over 25 rapes per 100,000?

Or are you trying to say you support the thread's implied contention, and that there is something about Islam that inspires this kind of violence against women, which we don't have here - a country where there are almost 100,000 rapes (reported) every year?
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You often hear many people, including women, feminists, etc referring to a rape culture. If you live in a society that is very misogynistic which trivializes rape, or punishes the victims, or makes the victims targets for more abuse, then yes It's very plausible and even likely that islamic cultures in particular (but also western cultures) can have very big impacts on the degree of rape that is present.

These cultures are heavily influenced by their religion, and to deny that is foolish.

Islamic cultures in particular routinely treat many of the women like cattle. Many of those countries justify the use of burkas because otherwise "men wouldn't be able to control themselves." If you are a women and raped, your family may disown you. In some of those cultures, you may be forced to marry your rapist, or you could be simply killed by your own family members. There isn't much incentive for victims in these countries to even come forward.

So to answer both your questions, yes, I do believe that such a difference could very easily close that gap, and yes, I do believe the religion, which directly influences those cultures (often being the primary influence) permeates their society, and has a very big effect on rape statistics.
 
Thing1 said:
Right. So, if someone said "ignorance in full, florid display" regarding a comment about Christianity instead of Islam, you would have jumped in w/ the same kind of comment.

That's credible.
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Am I known as a big religious defender on here? I didn't think so.

But not every country and culture is equal. I can't believe I have to have these type of basic 101 discussions with you. Some cultures have higher degrees of religiosity. In america, many that are religious are religious in name only, and dont really follow the tenants of their faith, they just need something to do on a boring sunday.
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
You often hear many people, including women, feminists, etc referring to a rape culture. If you live in a society that is very misogynistic which trivializes rape, or punishes the victims, or makes the victims targets for more abuse, then yes It's very plausible and even likely that islamic cultures in particular (but also western cultures) can have very big impacts on the degree of rape that is present.

These cultures are heavily influenced by their religion, and to deny that is foolish.

Islamic cultures in particular routinely treat many of the women like cattle. Many of those countries justify the use of burkas because otherwise "men wouldn't be able to control themselves." If you are a women and raped, your family may disown you. In some of those cultures, you may be forced to marry your rapist, or you could be simply killed by your own family members. There isn't much incentive for victims in these countries to even come forward.

So to answer both your questions, yes, I do believe that such a difference could very easily close that gap, and yes, I do believe the religion, which directly influences those cultures (often being the primary influence) permeates their society, and has a very big effect on rape statistics.
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i knew it

you are watermark's sock puppet
 
Thing1 said:
The U.S. averages over 30 rapes per 100,000. Most Muslim countries are well under 5.

I don't see why this isn't credible. Those are tightly controlled countries, that are basically run by their religions.
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They are not reporting the rapes. In many of those socially conservative countries women are punished by the state or culturally for being victims of rape. It's not because Christianity is better but it's foolish to simply believe the stats give a truly accurate comparison.
 
The Kicker of Elves said:
Am I known as a big religious defender on here? I didn't think so.

But not every country and culture is equal. I can't believe I have to have these type of basic 101 discussions with you. Some cultures have higher degrees of religiosity. In america, many that are religious are religious in name only, and dont really follow the tenants of their faith, they just need something to do on a boring sunday.
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I don't disagree w/ you on some of this. But this is a BS thread, implying that "being Muslim" had a lot to do w/ this incident, when in fact it's no different from the intent & violence of countless acts on our own soil.

If one of the resident Islamophobes can show some causality or correlation, that's another thing. But otherwise, this is yet another horrific crime against women, the kind of which we see in pretty much every country, unfortunately - and which exists regardless of the religion practiced.
 
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Thing1 said:
I don't disagree w/ you on some of this. But this is a BS thread, implying that "being Muslim" had a lot to do w/ this incident, when in fact it's no different from the intent & violence of countless acts on our own soil.

If one of the resident Islamophobes can show some causality or correlation, that's another thing. But otherwise, this is just another horrific crime against women, the kind of which we see in pretty much every country, unfortunately - and which exists regardless of the religion practiced.
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Its just another horrific crime against women ?.....the fact that its condoned and commonplace in Islamic culture means nothing ?
Or will you just close your eyes to reality and deny the fact that women are nothing more than slaves to Muslim men....property, without the most basic of rights
that all civilized people recognize,,,,,,except Muslims.....

Have you ever in modern times heard of a Muslim man stoned to death for being a victim of assault ?
 
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Bravo's comments just slide by most of the righties here - it always amazes me. He's a very twisted, disturbed individual.
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If you've got a problem with something I've said ..... refute it like a man.....show the entire post, not just some phase without context.

don't just take something I've posted out of context and whine about it like Rana and some others do....thats the easy way out of a debate........
 
In America, we often enjoy contratulating ourselves. Often, such congratulations are premature. I believe that this is a trait not confined to America, and in fact exists largely throughout the west.

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

It's important to know the facts. They are linked above.

There is zero chance that rape is not severly underreported in Muslim countries. However, no need to pat yourselves on the back boys...same holds true here. Here we don't murder rape victims for reporting the rape...well, not physically anyway.
 
I am confused by this OP. There is no link. Am I to understand that a young girl was gang raped and murdered by six men. That one out of the SIX men was a Muslim, and this proves...that five of them weren't Muslim??

Is there a point here???
 
http://www.trust.org/trustlaw/news/special-coverage/g20women/

India was named the worst G20 country for women. But India is not a Muslim country. You can twist and dance all you want (they do have the second largest Mulsim population), but they are not a Muslim country. So that is very interesting.

I am not one who would argue that fanatical Islam is not, bar none, the worst circumstances a woman can live under. But it's important to understand that this mean fanatical Islam only, and that further, many non-Muslim countries are horrific places for women to live.

And most importantly...American and other Western men should clean up their own backyards first. Your yards are not clean boys! Far from it. There is a saying; let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me.

Look to yourself first. Some of you right here are absolutely deplorable. Simply deplorable. A few of you are outright animals.
 
Well, Darla, we have kind of been working on it since at least 1919. Just because the job's not finished, I don't see why we Western men can't occasionally sit back to a crate of beers, an afternoon of football, and make derisive comments about Muslim values during the commericals (commericals which do, admittedly, contain such material as those embarrasingly sexist Dr. Pepper 10 ads that drive me off the wall).

:tv:
 
Threedee said:
Well, Darla, we have kind of been working on it since at least 1919. Just because the job's not finished, I don't see why we Western men can't occasionally sit back to a crate of beers, an afternoon of football, and make derisive comments about Muslim values during the commericals (commericals which do, admittedly, contain such material as those embarrasingly sexist Dr. Pepper 10 ads that drive me off the wall).

:tv:
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Why don't you sit back and make comments about Ohio values? And I don't mean jokes about Mott. Have you seen that? christie posted it. Or are those football values? Is there a culture of violence against women in American sports?

How about you guys discuss that?
 
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