Fox News calls Westboro Baptist "Left Wing Westboro Cult"?

I didn't say it was relevant, just that I learned something. Fred Phelps is a Democrat. I had no idea, I just assumed along with most people that he'd be in the American Conservative Party or something stupid. He certainly isn't a republican though, he's way beyond that with protesting soldier's funerals thanking God for their deaths. There isn't a republican around that I have ever seen that supports the nut job.

Just saying "socially conservative" doesn't make him somebody republicans have to claim, they're disgusted by him.

He isn't left, he isn't right, he is off the chart crazy to the point of being a very smart man. His family has made their money suing people!
 
But the point is....HE IS A DEMOCRAT.....get over it....hes one of yours.....Gore supporter, against homos just like Gore, raised money for Gore, etc....hes yours....

Fact is...there are plenty of voters that vote Democrat that are against the homo lifestyle.....you idiots just can't face reality....

Who Phelps voted for and supported defines him and his nutjob followers.... Democrats......idiots.....assholes....and of course, pinheads.

No, that was not the point. Read the thread title. Fox referred to the WBC as left wing. That conclusion does not follow from the premise that Fred Phelps was/is a Democrat. There are a number of suppressed premises that would be necessary to complete the argument. Even if I were to provide them for you in the most generous way the argument is still unsound.

Fred Phelps is not the WBC. I would assume their members have voted for a variety of parties. But they don't seem very partisan.

Just because one is/was a Democrat does not make one left wing.

The WBC also picketed the funeral of Gore's father.

I don't really think it would be accurate to say the WBC or Phelps are right wing either. It is accurate to say that he and the WBC are socially conservative.

It's not relevant to the point, but to answer your ad hom I am neither left wing nor a Democrat. I would not vote for Gore now and the views he shared with you and Phelps would have only made that less likely.
 
Can we say, non sequitur. The point was that WBC is not left wing. The point was not that Fred Phelps is not or was not a Democrat.

that doesn't matter, using left wing logic, all those who follow him are tarred with the same label. too bad for you.

You see this is really about preserving the left wing narrative that only right wingers hate gays that you have created. You cannot allow any facts the show left wingers like Phelps who hate gays. The narrative must be protected at all costs.

Westboro is a bunch of left wing loons. Don't let it hurt your feelings so much. Every family has them ;)
 
Most Christians are against those things, the vast majority are not picketing dead soldiers or dead Children's funerals and are disgusted at this cult who would do such things.

"Most" Christians are not against those things. A majority of Americans favor gay marriage and contraception.
 
Most Christians are against those things, the vast majority are not picketing dead soldiers or dead Children's funerals and are disgusted at this cult who would do such things.

Theirs is an extreme brand, which I noted before, still, they are socially conservative.

Some would find comparisons between beastiality and homosexuality or arguments that a woman provokes rape by her dress extreme. Others think it mainstream or at least acceptable. If we moved in the direction of the WBC they and the other assorted nuts would seem less and less extreme.
 
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that doesn't matter, using left wing logic, all those who follow him are tarred with the same label. too bad for you.

You see this is really about preserving the left wing narrative that only right wingers hate gays that you have created. You cannot allow any facts the show left wingers like Phelps who hate gays. The narrative must be protected at all costs.

Westboro is a bunch of left wing loons. Don't let it hurt your feelings so much. Every family has them ;)

No, it's about the hackery of Fox news and their attempt to misinform. You know there are two studies out now that show that people who depend on Fox news are less well informed than those who watch no news at all. The Toledo Mosque arsonist claims that Fox and right wing radio is where he got all his news. For those who blame our media for violence, eg, the NRA, it might seem we should do something about that but I think the best thing to do is ridicule the true believers and point out the lies of the right wing media.

You tried to change the subject with your weak premise but left huge gaps in the argument. It's not just that Phelps is not the WBC, which is enough alone to leave your argument invalid, it is that having voted Democrat does not make one left wing. To a knee jerk reactionary like you it may but to anyone slightly more thoughtful, no. There is no way to fill in your gaps and make your argument sound. Claiming special logic is just an expression of your bitterness.

The WBC are socially conservative loons.

Left wing is poorly defined to begin with. But to put someone in that group it would have to mean someone who emphasizes left wing positions. It would be fair to say Al Gore was and is rather left wing. But he never made the exclusion/repression of homosexuals a focus and classifying him as left wing might change if he had. The WBC is all about their socially conservative positions.

I have not created any narrative. History has. You are sore over past losses, but right now, today, it is the right wing that rails against homosexuals. I have been encouraging the Republicans to shut up their social conservatives or get rid of them. Change the tune. Sure, your opponents will still look back on your ugly history and the Rove strategy just like you are fond of 30 year old comments from Gore or quoting LBJ, who has been dead longer than many voters have been alive. But that sort of stuff only excites the choir of petty dinosaurs sore over past struggles and losses. While you are fighting over the historical narrative you are losing the present and future.

If you don't want Republicans associated with hating gays then stop hating gays.
 
Theirs is an extreme brand, which I noted before, still, they are socially conservative.

Some would find comparisons between beastiality and homosexuality or arguments that a woman provokes rape by her dress extreme. Others think it mainstream or at least acceptable. If we moved in the direction of the WBC they and the other assorted nuts would seem less and less extreme.

Not one Christian I know thinks bestiality, and homosexuality are the same thing, although both are sin in the Bible, not one Christian I know thinks girls are raped because of the way they dress, it is a power trip thing, and hate, and despise for women, that I believe cause that. So try again, I do not think they are Christians at all but a cult
 
Bikers descended on the town of Newtown yesterday and linked arms blocking the hate group protesters of Westboro Baptist Church from disrupting the funerals. (Free Republic)
Conservative bikers turned out yesterday to protect Newtown mourners from Democrat Fred Phelps and his Westboro cult from protesting.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/connectic...tboro-baptist-church?intcmp=fly#ixzz2GH6wJp7Q



Well, the bikers certainly ARE NOT liberal Democrats and its claims Phelphs is a Democrat.....that makes him and nutjobs all yours.....
LOL I love how you mindless Faux News sheep eat this shit up! LOL Then you wonder why people think you're dumber than mud?

Shit man, this is typical faux news propaganda. Tell a lie often enough and their brain dead audience will believe.

Fuckin A this is funny! :)
 
No, it's about the hackery of Fox news and their attempt to misinform. You know there are two studies out now that show that people who depend on Fox news are less well informed than those who watch no news at all. The Toledo Mosque arsonist claims that Fox and right wing radio is where he got all his news. For those who blame our media for violence, eg, the NRA, it might seem we should do something about that but I think the best thing to do is ridicule the true believers and point out the lies of the right wing media.



You tried to change the subject with your weak premise but left huge gaps in the argument. It's not just that Phelps is not the WBC, which is enough alone to leave your argument invalid, it is that having voted Democrat does not make one left wing. To a knee jerk reactionary like you it may but to anyone slightly more thoughtful, no. There is no way to fill in your gaps and make your argument sound. Claiming special logic is just an expression of your bitterness.

The WBC are socially conservative loons.

Left wing is poorly defined to begin with. But to put someone in that group it would have to mean someone who emphasizes left wing positions. It would be fair to say Al Gore was and is rather left wing. But he never made the exclusion/repression of homosexuals a focus and classifying him as left wing might change if he had. The WBC is all about their socially conservative positions.

I have not created any narrative. History has. You are sore over past losses, but right now, today, it is the right wing that rails against homosexuals. I have been encouraging the Republicans to shut up their social conservatives or get rid of them. Change the tune. Sure, your opponents will still look back on your ugly history and the Rove strategy just like you are fond of 30 year old comments from Gore or quoting LBJ, who has been dead longer than many voters have been alive. But that sort of stuff only excites the choir of petty dinosaurs sore over past struggles and losses. While you are fighting over the historical narrative you are losing the present and future.

If you don't want Republicans associated with hating gays then stop hating gays.

Well, two things here, what he listens to has nothing to do with what the arsonist did, it was him making a decision to do something evil. I assume you probably do not believe MSNBC is extreme left, but they are and they just plain lie, boldly. They say idiotic things all the time, but I do not want to shoot them, or blow them up, people who do aren't gun nuts, or explosion nuts either, they are mentally unstable.

By the way it's a lie to say Republicans hate gays, that is just not true, my hate is for the sin that ensnares them.
 
I didn't say it was relevant, just that I learned something. Fred Phelps is a Democrat. I had no idea, I just assumed along with most people that he'd be in the American Conservative Party or something stupid. He certainly isn't a republican though, he's way beyond that with protesting soldier's funerals thanking God for their deaths. There isn't a republican around that I have ever seen that supports the nut job.

Just saying "socially conservative" doesn't make him somebody republicans have to claim, they're disgusted by him.
Is a Democrat or was a Democrat? Most social conservatives, particularly the southern stripe, were Democrats up until around the late 70's early 80's. How do you know he's not a Republican now, despite Faux News misinformation?
 
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