Does drilling cause earthquakes?

[Mott the Hoople]

Bingo! The return water is a major problem.

No. It can be a problem if not managed properly but are you going to ban fracking cause the return water is mismanaged? That's an easy fix. Force them to store returned water in tanks inspected and approved by a registered professional engineer with proper air pollution control equipment and implement an approved spill prevention control and countermeasure program. No more of this shit of storing produced waters in open unlined pits.There would certainly be a significant cost involved but it would hardly be prohibitive.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Flat out wrong.
I have been pointing to return water as being a major problem for days. Read my posts in your fracking thread.

But you have also convienantly omitted that it's no major stretch of the imagination to manage return (produced) waters in a safe and cost affective manner.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Since I knew you wouldn't bother to verify your ineptness, I linked to my comments on produced water, above.

All 9 of them, not counting 3 videos I posted also detailing return water disasters.

And what were the causes of those return/produced water disasters? Could it have been the lack of administrative and engineering controls?

 

[Rune]

No. It can be a problem if not managed properly but are you going to ban fracking cause the return water is mismanaged?

I am not proposing banning fracking. Tom posted an asine OP, I responded with the first anti fracking video I found.

That's an easy fix. Force them to store returned water in tanks inspected and approved by a registered professional engineer with proper air pollution control equipment and implement an approved spill prevention control and countermeasure program. No more of this shit of storing produced waters in open unlined pits.There would certainly be a significant cost involved but it would hardly be prohibitive.

Easy fix? While the fix may be technicaly easy, it is hardly an easy fix. Tanks to hold millions of gallons? No small expence there. Changing a regulatory framework well weighted in favor of the energy companies? No easy fix. Sorry, you are incorrect.

 

[Rune]

And what were the causes of those return/produced water disasters? Could it have been the lack of administrative and engineering controls?

The cause is simple and obvious. Due to the fact that laws are now written by lobbyists for the industries thus regulated, once a fracked well starts producing gas, the remaining fracking fluids are termed "produced water" (I covered this in Tom's thread, where you neglected to reply). The so called "produced water" is no longer treated as fracking fluid.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I am not proposing banning fracking. Tom posted an asine OP, I responded with the first anti fracking video I found.



Easy fix? While the fix may be technicaly easy, it is hardly an easy fix. Tanks to hold millions of gallons? No small expence there. Changing a regulatory framework well weighted in favor of the energy companies? No easy fix. Sorry, you are incorrect.

Meh, that's not how it works. You wouldn't need a million gallon tank though obviously a large one would be required. As for the regulatory climate. Agreed. To end the current exemptions the petroleum industry enjoys would require Congress to change the laws. It's seriously doubtfull that house or senate Republicans would permit that. It's also doubtful that they'd permit banning the technology. So you're back to jump street, aren't you?

So the obvious solution there would be for people in regions adversly affected by abuses of the petroleum industry to place pressure on their elected officials to increase regulation or face losing office.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The cause is simple and obvious. Due to the fact that laws are now written by lobbyists for the industries thus regulated, once a fracked well starts producing gas, the remaining fracking fluids are termed "produced water" (I covered this in Tom's thread, where you neglected to reply). The so called "produced water" is no longer treated as fracking fluid.

That's a moot point. I covered that all ready. Produced waters are classified as petroleum derived waste (PDW) and are thus exempted from full RCRA regulation. That exemption is the issue.

 

[Rune]

That's a moot point. I covered that all ready. Produced waters are classified as petroleum derived waste (PDW) and are thus exempted from full RCRA regulation. That exemption is the issue.

Yes, the exemption is the issue, that is exactly my point, so how could it be a moot point?

 

[Rune]

But you have also convienantly omitted that it's no major stretch of the imagination to manage return (produced) waters in a safe and cost affective manner.

You are wrong, as I proved in the post #124